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Levi
Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
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Levi
Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
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Levi
Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
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ssun30
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
It is not just brake based, it has two way clutches on both from and rear driveshafts... so it can actually disconnect the wheel which is obviously way better than just ABS trying to stop it.

If you look at the video, at the end it likely shows CHR vs UX difference, where in CHR (and Rav4), if rear wheel is up, it wont be able to overcome the step.



from the PR:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches* on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.
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ssun30
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
It is not just brake based, it has two way clutches on both from and rear driveshafts... so it can actually disconnect the wheel which is obviously way better than just ABS trying to stop it.

If you look at the video, at the end it likely shows CHR vs UX difference, where in CHR (and Rav4), if rear wheel is up, it wont be able to overcome the step.



from the PR:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches* on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.
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ssun30
Unfortunately this is a brake-based torque vectoring system a.k.a. eLSD. D here stands for "device" instead of a real differential: it's all open diffs. The info is in the video Toyota posted.

eLSD gets the job done in lots of scenarios as demonstrated by Subaru, their eLSD equipped AWD system is no worse than previous mechanical systems. But Subaru's torque vectoring is available for all four wheels so this is actually still inferior. Just like before this is an intentional decision on Toyota's part to improve fuel efficiency at the cost of offroad capabilities, but they made a step forward nonetheless.

Don't worry, the BoFs will keep using the good old manual lockers.
It is not just brake based, it has two way clutches on both from and rear driveshafts... so it can actually disconnect the wheel which is obviously way better than just ABS trying to stop it.

If you look at the video, at the end it likely shows CHR vs UX difference, where in CHR (and Rav4), if rear wheel is up, it wont be able to overcome the step.



from the PR:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches* on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.
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mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

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mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

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mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

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exterior shot looks pretty standard Lexus, kind of boring compared to C-HR.¸Hopefully other colors will bring out more from the design.

Interior looks amazing.
S
exterior shot looks pretty standard Lexus, kind of boring compared to C-HR.¸Hopefully other colors will bring out more from the design.

Interior looks amazing.
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exterior shot looks pretty standard Lexus, kind of boring compared to C-HR.¸Hopefully other colors will bring out more from the design.

Interior looks amazing.
ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
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ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
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ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
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ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
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ct200e
When i first saw the 250h logo , i thought (as i've already wrote) that i am living 2011 all over again. Now i am sure...My time machine works!

Zero innovation for both interior and exterior of the car (i never thought that i would say that for my favourite brand(!)). Even the front reminds me -a lot- of the BMW X1... in a more aggressive design (and X1 is ugly...)

At least they will offer an EV option...
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
ct200e
spwolf
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
I agree BMW X1 is uglier than UX but that does not mean that UX is a good looking car for 2018.



This is Jaguar i-Pace interior that is going into production the same year as Lexus UX. Not a concept, nor a chinese "futuristic" interior. This is 2018 Lexus!

ct200e
spwolf
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
I agree BMW X1 is uglier than UX but that does not mean that UX is a good looking car for 2018.



This is Jaguar i-Pace interior that is going into production the same year as Lexus UX. Not a concept, nor a chinese "futuristic" interior. This is 2018 Lexus!

ct200e
spwolf
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
I agree BMW X1 is uglier than UX but that does not mean that UX is a good looking car for 2018.



This is Jaguar i-Pace interior that is going into production the same year as Lexus UX. Not a concept, nor a chinese "futuristic" interior. This is 2018 Lexus!

ct200e
spwolf
Interior actually looks pretty amazing, while X1 is... nothing special at all.

Maybe you will like some new Chinese SUV EV? They are introducing a lot of outrageous concepts, some of them will have crazy interiors that are all screen. But sure, dont expect a price below €70k
I agree BMW X1 is uglier than UX but that does not mean that UX is a good looking car for 2018.



This is Jaguar i-Pace interior that is going into production the same year as Lexus UX. Not a concept, nor a chinese "futuristic" interior. This is 2018 Lexus!

OlFius
mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

First image!

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Did we have to wait so long for this? Boring, and I think we see here a F Sport version ?
Even the C-HR looks sexier...
OlFius
mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

First image!

View attachment 2755

Did we have to wait so long for this? Boring, and I think we see here a F Sport version ?
Even the C-HR looks sexier...
OlFius
mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

First image!

View attachment 2755

Did we have to wait so long for this? Boring, and I think we see here a F Sport version ?
Even the C-HR looks sexier...
OlFius
mikeavelli
http://pressroom.lexus.com/releases...+urban+crossover+from+lexus.htm?view_id=39709

First image!

View attachment 2755

Did we have to wait so long for this? Boring, and I think we see here a F Sport version ?
Even the C-HR looks sexier...

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