Lexus UX to Debut Tomorrow at Geneva Motor Show

Posted by Kevin on March 5th, 2018

Tomorrow morning, Lexus will debut the new UX subcompact crossover at the Geneva Motor Show. The press conference will be livestreamed at 10am CET, or 4:00am ET/1:00am PT in North America:

(As a big fan of the subcompact crossover genre, I’m excited about the new UX — early impressions would be that the design is subdued, but in line with the NX & RX. Looking forward to seeing the interior details.)

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spwolf
but electric Volvo XC40 does not exist... even hybrid XC40 does not really exist but their diesel does. All they sell is mostly diesel and petrols around the world, and PR the heck out of their plugin hybrid that they sell (in numbers) only in few countries where there are huge incentives to do so.

Your best bet right now would be Jaguar I-pace... seems like really nice EV.
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
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spwolf
but electric Volvo XC40 does not exist... even hybrid XC40 does not really exist but their diesel does. All they sell is mostly diesel and petrols around the world, and PR the heck out of their plugin hybrid that they sell (in numbers) only in few countries where there are huge incentives to do so.

Your best bet right now would be Jaguar I-pace... seems like really nice EV.
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
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ssun30
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
true too.

But with all the PRs, you would think there are tens of EV SUVs around, and with exception of China, there really are not.

UX250h will fit nicely into Europe, and same powertrain will fit nicely in various TMC products worldwide. They should be able to increase their hybrid sales with it to a lot more than current 1.5M/year... I just feel it is silly that Lexus/Toyota are not somehow not at forefront of tech because others do a lot of PR and then sell 99% diesel/petrol.
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ssun30
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
true too.

But with all the PRs, you would think there are tens of EV SUVs around, and with exception of China, there really are not.

UX250h will fit nicely into Europe, and same powertrain will fit nicely in various TMC products worldwide. They should be able to increase their hybrid sales with it to a lot more than current 1.5M/year... I just feel it is silly that Lexus/Toyota are not somehow not at forefront of tech because others do a lot of PR and then sell 99% diesel/petrol.
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ssun30
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
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ssun30
Yeah, buying any high-end EV in the next two or three years seems a risky decision because of how disruptive solid state batteries are. The first Lexus EV could completely trash the value of existing EVs using old Li-ion technology.
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
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ct200e
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
With the exception of a Tesla, I wouldn't suggest buying any hype EV that's too expensive. Even the Tesla decision should be with some cautions.

The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf, on the other hand, are some practical EVs with solid technology behind them, plus they are cheap after incentives. If you were living in China, there are some solid indigenous options as well.

You should not worry about Lexus not being innovative, because the only piece missing in their EV strategy is the solid state battery. There is a reason DoE and EPA use the Prius and sometimes a Lexus hybrid as benchmarks for EV technology evaluations every year.
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ct200e
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
With the exception of a Tesla, I wouldn't suggest buying any hype EV that's too expensive. Even the Tesla decision should be with some cautions.

The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf, on the other hand, are some practical EVs with solid technology behind them, plus they are cheap after incentives. If you were living in China, there are some solid indigenous options as well.

You should not worry about Lexus not being innovative, because the only piece missing in their EV strategy is the solid state battery. There is a reason DoE and EPA use the Prius and sometimes a Lexus hybrid as benchmarks for EV technology evaluations every year.
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ct200e
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
Bmw is good at offering plugins that they dont sell in big numbers, so bmw is innovator with not existing 1 series plugin, but toyota is lagging while selling 1.5m hybrids in 2017 :)

Answer is that you should not wait for Lexus plugin or ev if you want to buy vehicle in next 2-3... Toyota was never about selling cars for PR reasons, they wont do ev or plugin until is needed by regulations or makes sense.

More than 95% sales of BMW (or more) , are from dirty diesel and dirty turbo petrols, while 98% of Lexus in western europe are hybrid but it is lexus thats bad.
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ct200e
Thank you guys for all your answers!

So should I wait 2-3 more years for our loving brand makes some ground-brake innovation in EV technology (solid state batteries)?

Because, at the present, Lexus seems like a sleeping giant to me that insists to mediocre innovations as their business model... It's really disappointing to see a CT200h 2018 model using a 2009 technology ( Gen 3 PRIUS ) !! Even the new BMW 1-series will be offered with a plug-in version! (and i hate this brand for several reasons...)
Bmw is good at offering plugins that they dont sell in big numbers, so bmw is innovator with not existing 1 series plugin, but toyota is lagging while selling 1.5m hybrids in 2017 :)

Answer is that you should not wait for Lexus plugin or ev if you want to buy vehicle in next 2-3... Toyota was never about selling cars for PR reasons, they wont do ev or plugin until is needed by regulations or makes sense.

More than 95% sales of BMW (or more) , are from dirty diesel and dirty turbo petrols, while 98% of Lexus in western europe are hybrid but it is lexus thats bad.
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UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 175hp (143+32)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
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UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 175hp (143+32)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
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UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 175hp (143+32)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
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ssun30
UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 178hp (143+35)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
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ssun30
UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 178hp (143+35)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
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ssun30
UX engine specs confirmed:

UX200 169hp
UX250h 178hp (143+35)
UX250 208hp

No I don't post peak torque here because it's irrelevant.
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
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spwolf
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
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spwolf
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
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spwolf
So 35hp max battery output, not bad.

edit: NA 2018 Camry HSD has 176hp + 32hp for 208. This is a good sign for 250h powertrain, it will have a nice electric boost.
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
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ssun30
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
Yes, the difference might be simply in the way of measuring hp.

As you say, as long as it is 50% more than Prius, that's good.

Is there any performance info?
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ssun30
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
Yes, the difference might be simply in the way of measuring hp.

As you say, as long as it is 50% more than Prius, that's good.

Is there any performance info?
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ssun30
I thought the Camry uses a 25kW battery so I assumed 35hp from batteries. But 3hp is not a big deal. The idea is that it will use Camry hybrid's battery instead of the less powerful Prius battery.
Yes, the difference might be simply in the way of measuring hp.

As you say, as long as it is 50% more than Prius, that's good.

Is there any performance info?
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TOYOTA just announced new 2.0l petrol, hybrid and new awd and e-awd systems as well as new direct shift cvt and 6mt.

All of these will likely debut in new UX in 2 weeks.

Interesting part is video showing performance between old and new awd.... I am pretty sure it shows difference between chr and ux, but cars are blanked out... Still nice video:



Basically it solves a problem that dynamic systems have when a wheel is in the air, as we can see in all those videos where rav4 cant climb steps and ditches.
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TOYOTA just announced new 2.0l petrol, hybrid and new awd and e-awd systems as well as new direct shift cvt and 6mt.

All of these will likely debut in new UX in 2 weeks.

Interesting part is video showing performance between old and new awd.... I am pretty sure it shows difference between chr and ux, but cars are blanked out... Still nice video:



Basically it solves a problem that dynamic systems have when a wheel is in the air, as we can see in all those videos where rav4 cant climb steps and ditches.
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TOYOTA just announced new 2.0l petrol, hybrid and new awd and e-awd systems as well as new direct shift cvt and 6mt.

All of these will likely debut in new UX in 2 weeks.

Interesting part is video showing performance between old and new awd.... I am pretty sure it shows difference between chr and ux, but cars are blanked out... Still nice video:



Basically it solves a problem that dynamic systems have when a wheel is in the air, as we can see in all those videos where rav4 cant climb steps and ditches.
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Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually? This is definitely needed for the new Land Cruiser, the current one not having rear differential lock, and the Prado deactivating front axle traction control when rear diff lock is engaged.

For proper off-roading (does not concern Lexus, but Toyota), I would like them to stick with solid axles and three diff locks (LC 70).
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Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually? This is definitely needed for the new Land Cruiser, the current one not having rear differential lock, and the Prado deactivating front axle traction control when rear diff lock is engaged.

For proper off-roading (does not concern Lexus, but Toyota), I would like them to stick with solid axles and three diff locks (LC 70).
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Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually? This is definitely needed for the new Land Cruiser, the current one not having rear differential lock, and the Prado deactivating front axle traction control when rear diff lock is engaged.

For proper off-roading (does not concern Lexus, but Toyota), I would like them to stick with solid axles and three diff locks (LC 70).
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Levi
Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually? This is definitely needed for the new Land Cruiser, the current one not having rear differential lock, and the Prado deactivating front axle traction control when rear diff lock is engaged.

For proper off-roading (does not concern Lexus, but Toyota), I would like them to stick with solid axles and three diff locks (LC 70).
This is specific system for part time awds, like in fwd applications, as in rav4, chr, nx, ux, etc.

It debuts in 10 days in new lexus ux.
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Levi
Nice, it is time for TMC to have a new AWD system with torque vectoring rather than wheel braking. But is is only rear axle right-left torque vectoring, or vectoring each wheel individually? This is definitely needed for the new Land Cruiser, the current one not having rear differential lock, and the Prado deactivating front axle traction control when rear diff lock is engaged.

For proper off-roading (does not concern Lexus, but Toyota), I would like them to stick with solid axles and three diff locks (LC 70).
This is specific system for part time awds, like in fwd applications, as in rav4, chr, nx, ux, etc.

It debuts in 10 days in new lexus ux.

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