Lexus UX to Debut Tomorrow at Geneva Motor Show

Posted by Kevin on March 5th, 2018

Tomorrow morning, Lexus will debut the new UX subcompact crossover at the Geneva Motor Show. The press conference will be livestreamed at 10am CET, or 4:00am ET/1:00am PT in North America:

(As a big fan of the subcompact crossover genre, I’m excited about the new UX — early impressions would be that the design is subdued, but in line with the NX & RX. Looking forward to seeing the interior details.)

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LDeleuran
DDas
Can't wait to see it! Lexus needs to bring it to the States (mostly because I think I want one lol)! I would love to see the same shaped spindle grille as the concept - looks unique and works well for that body size. The interior canNOT be cheap like the NX. Please, please, Lexus.
There is a chance that it might beupscale compared to NX given that the Toyota C-HR (which this will very likely be based on) has an upscale interior compared to the larger Rav4 (which the NX is a cousin of).
PeterF
not being a big SUV or CUV fan, all I can say is that I like it!
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Lasse J. Nordvik
I wonder if this new hybrid drive line will be of the multi-stage type. Any thoughts?
The multi-stage hybrid system is too long for transverse platforms and too complicated for a low-end vehicle. The UX is not a performance vehicle so it does not the torque amplification from the automatic transmission.
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  • February 20, 2018
These things are going to sell very well I feel! I can't wait to see the full thing; it's looking like the concept so far (even in the dark teaser). I like the single "unibrow" taillight, but definitely used on a lot of cars/brands nowadays (Audi, Dodge, Lincoln, Toyota, etc).
bogglo
Not too surprised with the taillight considering what they did with the Avalon. I think this is the new trend.
bogglo
I think Geneva would be more interesting than Detroit. The supposed supra and the UX would be unveiled there.
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Gecko
My sense is that the packaging of the multi-stage hybrid system would probably be nearly impossible for a FWD vehicle that's so small. Plus, it might be engineering overkill for what's about to be Lexus' most entry level product.

However, we can still dream :innocent:o_O

I'm expecting a new 2.0L Dynamic Force I4 with a Li-Ion battery pack, mated to a CVT.
too expensive... as to the hybrid, by now we know it is not an cvt but psd :)

and it still might be nimh, like in Camry.
Trexus
Levi
At least '50' more than CT200h.
Could it be similar to the HS 250h?

Lexus needs to bring the 2CT with a CT 250h or CT 300h. Lexus could do a lot with the CT if they wanted to.

I'm sure the UX 250h will sell well. Is there gonna be a petrol version as well such as UX 200 to UX 300?
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Trexus
Could it be similar to the HS 250h?

Lexus needs to bring the 2CT with a CT 250h or CT 300h. Lexus could do a lot with the CT if they wanted to.

I'm sure the UX 250h will sell well. Is there gonna be a petrol version as well such as UX 200 to UX 300?
200 and 250 petrols and 250h... depending on the market i guess.

200 and 250h should be 165hp-175hp, 250 should be 205 hp.

Basically it should be "fast enough" where C-HR Hybrid and 2.0l are a bit underpowered.
Trexus
It's great that Lexus is expanding hybrid models. Lexus needs to promote, advertise and market their hybrids much much more. A lot of people don't even know that Lexus makes hybrids. I have a few clients that didn't even know Lexus had hybrid models.

Hybrid SUV's
UX 250h
NX 300h
RX 450h

Hybrid Sedan's
HS 250h
IS 300h (need to bring to North America)
ES 300h
GS 300h/450h
LS 500h

Hybrid Hatchback
CT 200h

Hybrid Coupe
RC 300h (need to bring to North America, LC hybrid is here but no RC hybrid?)
LC 500h
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Trexus
It's great that Lexus is expanding hybrid models. Lexus needs to promote, advertise and market their hybrids much much more. A lot of people don't even know that Lexus makes hybrids. I have a few clients that didn't even know Lexus had hybrid models.

Hybrid SUV's
UX 250h
NX 300h
RX 450h
there was a good article recently how they lowered hybrid premium and sales jumped in the usa - 150% for NX and 33% for RX.

In Europe, people ask me every time if my IS220d is hybrid, they basically became synonym for hybrids.
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Whatever 250h is, we know it will be at least HEV, if not PHEV, but I hope the ICE is turbocharged, because while TMC has turbocharged engines, they have never yet been combined with hybrid tech, which always uses naturally aspirated engines.
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Levi
Whatever 250h is, we know it will be at least HEV, if not PHEV, but I hope the ICE is turbocharged, because while TMC has turbocharged engines, they have never yet been combined with hybrid tech, which always uses naturally aspirated engines.
it would be very cool if they paired 1.2t with hybrid system to get higher output system, but they wont... it not only increases cost, it also lowers mpg compared to modern 2.0l engine with atkinson cycle and D4S.

But at least lets hope for higher max output battery that can provide more electric turbo power in short time, for instance 40hp instead of 23hp in Prius powertrain... it would certainly be noticed in small vehicle like this.
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Levi
Whatever 250h is, we know it will be at least HEV, if not PHEV, but I hope the ICE is turbocharged, because while TMC has turbocharged engines, they have never yet been combined with hybrid tech, which always uses naturally aspirated engines.
it would be very cool if they paired 1.2t with hybrid system to get higher output system, but they wont... it not only increases cost, it also lowers mpg compared to modern 2.0l engine with atkinson cycle and D4S.

But at least lets hope for higher max output battery that can provide more electric turbo power in short time, for instance 40hp instead of 23hp in Prius powertrain... it would certainly be noticed in small vehicle like this.
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So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
A
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
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arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
Do you know some info or? That hybrid got upgraded to latest powertrain in Camry... If they use that one, that would be great
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arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
Do you know some info or? That hybrid got upgraded to latest powertrain in Camry... If they use that one, that would be great
Joaquin Ruhi
arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
spwolf
That hybrid got upgraded to latest powertrain in Camry... If they use that one, that would be great
My best guess (and I believe this has been suggested elsewhere in the forums) is that UX 250h will be powered by an A20A-FXS. This would be a downsized version of the A25A-FXS Dynamic Force Hybrid from the latest 8th-gen Toyota Camry and upcoming 5th-gen Avalon.
Joaquin Ruhi
arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
spwolf
That hybrid got upgraded to latest powertrain in Camry... If they use that one, that would be great
My best guess (and I believe this has been suggested elsewhere in the forums) is that UX 250h will be powered by an A20A-FXS. This would be a downsized version of the A25A-FXS Dynamic Force Hybrid from the latest 8th-gen Toyota Camry and upcoming 5th-gen Avalon.
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Joaquin Ruhi
My best guess (and I believe this has been suggested elsewhere in the forums) is that UX 250h will be powered by an A20A-FXS. This would be a downsized version of the A25A-FXS Dynamic Force Hybrid from the latest 8th-gen Toyota Camry and upcoming 5th-gen Avalon.
I also think so, main reason is that Toyota already said that in Europe, every vehicle will have 2 hybrid powertrains, base one and sport... but honestly, I would preffer if they use A25 version of the engine, since then it would quite sporty with 210hp or whatever it is in DIN hp... for small cars such as Auris/Corolla/Avensis/C-HR this would be quite nice.

A20A based would have 30-40hp less, still 35-45hp more than current Prius powertrain but not as special as 210hp.
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Joaquin Ruhi
My best guess (and I believe this has been suggested elsewhere in the forums) is that UX 250h will be powered by an A20A-FXS. This would be a downsized version of the A25A-FXS Dynamic Force Hybrid from the latest 8th-gen Toyota Camry and upcoming 5th-gen Avalon.
I also think so, main reason is that Toyota already said that in Europe, every vehicle will have 2 hybrid powertrains, base one and sport... but honestly, I would preffer if they use A25 version of the engine, since then it would quite sporty with 210hp or whatever it is in DIN hp... for small cars such as Auris/Corolla/Avensis/C-HR this would be quite nice.

A20A based would have 30-40hp less, still 35-45hp more than current Prius powertrain but not as special as 210hp.
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arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
No it won't. That drivetrain went out of production along with HS250h/Toyota SAI last November. It's unfathomable that Lexus use a hybrid drivetrain from the last decade on its most important product.

Levi
Whatever 250h is, we know it will be at least HEV, if not PHEV, but I hope the ICE is turbocharged, because while TMC has turbocharged engines, they have never yet been combined with hybrid tech, which always uses naturally aspirated engines.
I don't think a turbo-hybrid will happen until the next-gen Prius. The nature of hybrid drivetrain prefers an ICE with the lowest BSFC possible; so far that title is still held by naturally aspirated engines. A turbocharged motor is not going to give any improvement to MPG (on hybrids) at this stage.
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arrow1982
So it will be the 2AZ-FXE hybrid from the HS250h...
No it won't. That drivetrain went out of production along with HS250h/Toyota SAI last November. It's unfathomable that Lexus use a hybrid drivetrain from the last decade on its most important product.

Levi
Whatever 250h is, we know it will be at least HEV, if not PHEV, but I hope the ICE is turbocharged, because while TMC has turbocharged engines, they have never yet been combined with hybrid tech, which always uses naturally aspirated engines.
I don't think a turbo-hybrid will happen until the next-gen Prius. The nature of hybrid drivetrain prefers an ICE with the lowest BSFC possible; so far that title is still held by naturally aspirated engines. A turbocharged motor is not going to give any improvement to MPG (on hybrids) at this stage.
Joaquin Ruhi
ssun30
No it won't. That drivetrain went out of production along with HS250h/Toyota SAI last November.
Wow! I hadn't heard that Lexus HS and Toyota Sai had already gone out of production. Sure enough, Wikipedia says that "On November 15, 2017, the Sai was discontinued and integrated with the XV70 Camry". And a page on Lexus Japan's English-language International site states that "Sales of the HS ended on Monday, December 11, 2017".
Joaquin Ruhi
ssun30
No it won't. That drivetrain went out of production along with HS250h/Toyota SAI last November.
Wow! I hadn't heard that Lexus HS and Toyota Sai had already gone out of production. Sure enough, Wikipedia says that "On November 15, 2017, the Sai was discontinued and integrated with the XV70 Camry". And a page on Lexus Japan's English-language International site states that "Sales of the HS ended on Monday, December 11, 2017".
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Looks good so far. Thankfully the radical look of the concept has been toned down quite a bit. Hopefully the front will not be nearly as radical as the concept either.
Y
Looks good so far. Thankfully the radical look of the concept has been toned down quite a bit. Hopefully the front will not be nearly as radical as the concept either.
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First things first, I am not an expert. But, I don't like the rear.
May I request from you to put pressure on Lexus to replace those unsightly taillight horns with the center taillight part along with the center upper crease, making it extended upto above the rear wheel arches? And that sculpture that resembles the NX taillights must go away. And that spoiler needs to go away.

My biggest gripe with that design is, it makes the car look like a commodity. Where is the UX concept? If they can't follow the concept design, then why are they making use of the same name with the concept?
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First things first, I am not an expert. But, I don't like the rear.
May I request from you to put pressure on Lexus to replace those unsightly taillight horns with the center taillight part along with the center upper crease, making it extended upto above the rear wheel arches? And that sculpture that resembles the NX taillights must go away. And that spoiler needs to go away.

My biggest gripe with that design is, it makes the car look like a commodity. Where is the UX concept? If they can't follow the concept design, then why are they making use of the same name with the concept?

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