Lexus UX Subcompact Crossover Set to Debut at Geneva Motor Show

That is a pretty horrible rendering, the proportions are especially bad around the C pillar.

proportions are weird because it is going to be weird... but real pics look very muscular there, so I think it has a chance to look really something special

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@krew: While production UX, LC F and LS F are strong possibilities for a 2018 Detroit Auto Show debut, I remain deeply skeptical that 7ES will debut there. I'm still convinced that 7ES will make its world debut at the 2018 New York Auto Show (press days 28-29 March 2018), with Auto China in Beijing a month later (press days 25–26 April 2018) unveiling the smaller-engined not-for-North America versions.

As to those UX renderings, I like the front but it all goes quickly downhill after that. Here's hoping those renderings aren't too accurate...

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Possible early stage mule for the Lexus UX?? It says Prius V, but that's probably because of the Prius front end. This is the second time I see a Prius front on a mule and my guess is that they are testing a hybrid version of the car. I see a Lexus NX back end on the mule, and the ride height also suggest a SUV.

That's Prius SUV, it is larger than UX.

Prius VX?

Enginious

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Possible early stage mule for the Lexus UX?? It says Prius V, but that's probably because of the Prius front end. This is the second time I see a Prius front on a mule and my guess is that they are testing a hybrid version of the car. I see a Lexus NX back end on the mule, and the ride height also suggest a SUV.

This confused me so much lol. I can see why people are calling it the Prius V, but why not use the Rav4 to show it's a Toyota? It's gotta be the very early stages of the UX because of the Lexus body. I know my reasoning may be dumb or flawed, but it just doesn't make sense for them to go out of their way and use a Lexus for a future Toyota model when there's a same size vehicle - Rav4 - already available. So maybe this UX hybrid will just have the same engine as the Prius.

EDIT: Looking at it more I definitely think this is a Lexus. The rear end - with the license plate slot lower - resembles the UX Concept a lot. Anyways, we'll see!

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The UX will mostly end up with the current gen Prius drivetrain, just like the CT having the previous gen Prius drivetrain.
A first stage mule always looks like a freak show. Remember the frs/86/brz mules? Or 5 gen LS mules? Or the upcoming Auris/corolla iM? First mules are very different from the final ones.

Enginious

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The UX will mostly end up with the current gen Prius drivetrain, just like the CT having the previous gen Prius drivetrain.
A first stage mule always looks like a freak show. Remember the frs/86/brz mules? Or 5 gen LS mules? Or the upcoming Auris/corolla iM? First mules are very different from the final ones.

What is certain is the license plate, this is a very recent Belgian license plate.
And Toyota has a (test) center in Brussels...

OlFius

What is certain is the license plate, this is a very recent Belgian license plate.
And Toyota has a (test) center in Brussels...

With all due respect, I'm not so sure about the license plate being Belgian (although you're certainly right about Toyota's R&D test center in Zaventem near Brussels). The vast majority of Toyota and Lexus prototypes spotted in Europe have those DAU license plates. That first came to my attention in May 2008, when a 2nd-gen Lexus IS was spotted on the Nürburgring in Germany. In a my.IS article I wrote then ( http://my.is/forums/f41/just-what-secrets-dau-0683-hiding-360928/ ), I noted that

The license plate itself merely indicates that the car is registered in the municipality of Daun, in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate (or Rheinland-Pfalz in German). The red numbers on a white background, and the fact that the number starts with 06, denote that this Lexus bears dealer plates commonly used for unregistered cars going on test drives.

Joaquin Ruhi

With all due respect, I'm not so sure about the license plate being Belgian (although you're certainly right about Toyota's R&D test center in Zaventem near Brussels). The vast majority of Toyota and Lexus prototypes spotted in Europe have those DAU license plates. That first came to my attention in May 2008, when a 2nd-gen Lexus IS was spotted on the Nürburgring in Germany. In a my.IS article I wrote then ( http://my.is/forums/f41/just-what-secrets-dau-0683-hiding-360928/ ), I noted that

OK, but I was talking about the last 2 pictures, the black mule, where the license plate starts with 'B' and then '1 - Txx - xxx'.
This is clearly a Belgian license plate. Since a couple of months, all the new license plates start with a 1 - T...

I am not sure what are you guys trying to convey :).

It is Prius SUV... like Prius SUV. Toyota will slot additional SUV between C-HR and Rav4, and it will be... Prius SUV.
Reason it has Prius front-end is because it will be ... Prius! It looks like finished designe vehicle.

Last pic (above) is new Auris, ie Corolla iM.

Joaquin Ruhi

With all due respect, I'm not so sure about the license plate being Belgian (although you're certainly right about Toyota's R&D test center in Zaventem near Brussels). The vast majority of Toyota and Lexus prototypes spotted in Europe have those DAU license plates. That first came to my attention in May 2008, when a 2nd-gen Lexus IS was spotted on the Nürburgring in Germany. In a my.IS article I wrote then ( http://my.is/forums/f41/just-what-secrets-dau-0683-hiding-360928/ ), I noted that

It says B for Belgium. German would say D for Deutschland.

And of course it is because it is tested in their R&D center.

p.s. they get different test plates depending where they drive it.

OlFius

OK, but I was talking about the last 2 pictures, the black mule, where the license plate starts with 'B' and then '1 - Txx - xxx'.
This is clearly a Belgian license plate. Since a couple of months, all the new license plates start with a 1 - T...

Ok, I see what you mean. Although the majority of the Toyota/Lexus prototypes have the DAU German plates, the Auris in the last two photos is clearly an exception. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hybrid only I wonder?

mikeavelli

Hybrid only I wonder?

Not if the trademarks filed in both the U.S. and China are anything to go by. They are UX 200, UX 250 and UX 250h.

mikeavelli

Hybrid only I wonder?

I think Lexus learned from their mistake with the CT. If they had introduced a gas version, I bet that car would still be in North America.

If this is about the size of a CX-3 or just a hair bigger with AWD option. Perfect for our area.

https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2018-01-0370/

Just found this entry of a report on the TNGA 2.0L engine which will become the workhorse of main Toyota models. It will be published before SAE WCX18 (April 3rd). We will see debut of a TMC model with this engine around that timeframe. The UX200 will definitely use this engine. Unfortunately it will be mated to a CVT...

The engine is also confirmed by the president of FAW/Toyota during an interview in November 2017 in which he claimed "the FAW/Toyota Izoa will boast a 2.0L engine based on TNGA technology and the tooling for the new engine plant has been acquired". The Izoa is the FAW version of the C-HR which will debut on the Beijing Motor Show this April. He also claimed "FAW/Toyota will be the first branch of TMC to utilise this engine" and "the engine will deliver 2.5L level power with better efficiency than a 1.2L turbo".

We can expect 160-170hp for the regular version and 140-150 (170-180 with electric motor) for the hybrid version.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/auto/2017-12/05/c_1122061001.htm

So we can likely expect D4S for that engine if output is going to be high.

spwolf

So we can likely expect D4S for that engine if output is going to be high.

The 6AR-FSE it replaces already has D-4S, so that's a no brainer.

ssun30

The 6AR-FSE it replaces already has D-4S, so that's a no brainer.

Keep in mind they sold that engine only in Russia and China, in Camry and ES.

This time around, D4S goes everywhere. 30hp gain over of non D4S 2.0 should be noticable.

This should bear an A20A-FKS engine code and debut in UX 200. The C-HR is due for a mid-cycle refresh around fall 2019 (2020 model year) so it'll probably get it then. That's also the expected debut for E190 (12th-gen "International Corolla"), which should also offer this engine.

Joaquin Ruhi

This should bear an A20A-FKS engine code and debut in UX 200. The C-HR is due for a mid-cycle refresh around fall 2019 (2020 model year) so it'll probably get it then. That's also the expected debut for E190 (12th-gen "International Corolla"), which should also offer this engine.

2.0l in CHR is only for Russia and USA, so I wonder when will they change it. This engine should come in new Camry and ES for Asian and Russian markets too.

spwolf

2.0l in CHR is only for Russia and USA, so I wonder when will they change it. This engine should come in new Camry and ES for Asian and Russian markets too.

There are two different 2.0L NA engines used by Toyota: the 6AR-FSE with a square block (shared with 8AR-FTS), VVT-iW, and D-4S; the 3ZR-FAE with an undersquare block (similar to Dynamic Force) and Valvematic. The two are very close in output and efficiency; basically Toyota wants to spread technology between the two to reduce cost and risk.

The AR is the 'big block' four cylinder while ZR is the 'medium block'; there's also the 'utility block' TR and 'small block' NR. With Dynamic Force, Toyota won't be distinguishing block families since all engines will use unified architecture (I doubt TR will be replaced though) and no intermediate displacement will be offered: engine output will be tuned by ECU mapping only. Naturally we can expect a 1.5L Dynamic Force for their smaller vehicles, but considering the NR is still relatively new, I think such engine won't appear until 5th gen Prius.

At the mean time TMC's engine lineup will be even more of a mess: the Asian market TNGA Camry still uses the 6AR-FSE, and the 8AR-FTS is not due for a replacement yet (which sucks since the 8AR isn't that good). The 3ZR-FAE will still be used by the RAV4/NX and USDM C-HR until they get their remodels. FAW/Toyota will be producing 'A20A' for the Izoa and possibly share the capacity with GAC's own C-HR. Lexus will probably produce their own Dynamic Force 2.0, with and without turbo, for the UX/ES.

In three years the situation will get much cleaner. Every manufacturer experienced logistic headaches when they started downsizing and standardizing engine architecture; GM/VAG/Ford are still cleaning up dozens of engine models populating the same segment. The ones who have sorted out are relatively lightweight, agile players like Mazda/MB/BMW. That's why these companies are always at the forefront of engine technology.

ssun30

At the mean time TMC's engine lineup will be even more of a mess: the Asian market TNGA Camry still uses the 6AR-FSE, and the 8AR-FTS is not due for a replacement yet (which sucks since the 8AR isn't that good). The 3ZR-FAE will still be used by the RAV4/NX and USDM C-HR until they get their remodels. FAW/Toyota will be producing 'A20A' for the Izoa and possibly share the capacity with GAC's own C-HR. Lexus will probably produce their own Dynamic Force 2.0, with and without turbo, for the UX/ES.

nobody replaces every engine at the same time, it would be impossible and logistical nightmare. Usually it comes with MMC and it this case, some engines have to wait for FMC before introduction.

Since Toyota sells around 100+ different models worldwide, there will always be a wide range of engines for them... Indian, Brazilian and other markets will likely never get all the same engines like Europe or China, it all depends on the cost.

What I like here is that Toyota is willing to sell their vehicles at premium cost these days and is including extra technology even in base models, like never before. With TNGA, new engines and finally new multimedia, there will be few weaknesses to their range but it will certainly be a bit more expensive than before.

Sorry but I have a question

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/01/spied-2019-toyota-rav4-reborn-breadwinner/

The next gen. Rav-4 will be appeared this year as next year model, is this means that the next NX will appear within this year or next year at most?

And if so, I think it will have the same LF-UX, LF-1 body concept

maiaramdan

Sorry but I have a question

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/01/spied-2019-toyota-rav4-reborn-breadwinner/

The next gen. Rav-4 will be appeared this year as next year model, is this means that the next NX will appear within this year or next year at most?

And if so, I think it will have the same LF-UX, LF-1 body concept

As much as I remember, NX is behind Rav4 at least 2 years, possibly more. It just got an facelift.