Next-Generation Lexus GS F Under Development


Toyota has announced that the brand’s Gazoo Racing division will be taking an active role in the development of Lexus F vehicles, including the next-generation GS F — from Car & Driver:

[Gazoo president Shigeki] Tomayama said that GR is already involved with developing a new Lexus GS F. What’s unclear is whether he’s referring to an F variant of a next-generation GS or merely an updated version of the current GS F. Considering recent rumors that the GS will not live on to see another generation, we tend to lean toward the latter.

As with the Supra, Tomayama explained, rear-end grip is an important aspect of the new GS F’s dynamics. He said that the new car needs to be lighter to achieve the playful feel GR is aiming for.

Motor Trend was apparently in the same discussion with Tomayama:

Gazoo is now involved in tuning the Lexus “F” models, specifically the next-generation GS-F.

“We are looking at what kind of target audience the car has, what tone and manner, how much understeer and oversteer balance,”Tomoyama said. “The cars have to run faster, and that tuning is already (in place). Even within Lexus, we may have different models which have different tuning.”

This story is significant in a number of ways, but the most important angle is that the GS F will be getting a next-generation at all — rumors of the mid-size sedan being cancelled have been rampant in the past few months, and the idea of a new GS F is a welcome shift in the narrative.

(The above image is a rendering from Japanese magazine Best Car. Hat tip to LXE member Supra93 for finding these stories.)

Lexus GS F: First Generation
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Twin Turbos are usually not high revving and produce tons of torque. A tradeoff of the N/A 5.0 is a higher redline but lower torque. Also look at the 4.8 V-10 LFA....
Twin Turbos are usually not high revving and produce tons of torque. A tradeoff of the N/A 5.0 is a higher redline but lower torque. Also look at the 4.8 V-10 LFA....
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 8, 2017
Gecko
8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.
Excellent point, and I was going to post this myself but forgot until I saw your post on it. Due to this fact, I remain extremely skeptical of this particular rumor.
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 8, 2017
Gecko
8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.
Excellent point, and I was going to post this myself but forgot until I saw your post on it. Due to this fact, I remain extremely skeptical of this particular rumor.
LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.

The current, fourth-generation GS launched in Australia in 2012 and is due for imminent replacement, however Lexus globally has not yet communicated a timeline for the successor for its BMW 5 Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class rival.

A report from Japanese magazine MagX earlier this year quoted an internal Lexus source saying that the next-generation GS had been cancelled, however that appears to be incorrect, according to Mr McGregor.

“I think it (new GS) would still be a four-door sedan in terms of its application, but the exterior styling may appear to be more liftback,” he told GoAuto at the national media launch of the Lexus LC in Tyabb, Victoria, this week.

“I’m not saying anything about the future, I’m just saying if you … want to talk about how we’re going to reinvigorate the sedan market, I think you can probably take a clue from the design of the next-generation LS.

“The styling of the vehicle is very much moving from a traditional three-box sedan, if you will, to more of a liftback body style. And I think that that change will actually add great appeal to the sedan market.”

While cautioning that he “can’t really speak about those future models” in detail, Mr McGregor admitted that even a new-generation GS would struggle to improve the overall fortunes of the large passenger car market.

“Do I think it (a new liftback) will reverse the trend to SUV?” he asked.

“No, I don’t. I think what we’re seeing with SUVs is going to be something that will be impacting our luxury market as it’s impacted luxury markets around the world for a period of time.

“But I don’t think that means that we give up on sedans at all.”

The $70K-plus large sedan and wagon market is up 37 per cent year-to-date, according to VFACTS May 2017 results, however this is entirely on the back of volume warfare between the just-released 5 Series (688 sales so far this year, up 196.6 per cent) and the barely older E-Class (876 units, up 135.5 per cent).

The fresh German duo have decimated rivals in the segment, with the Lexus GS down 17.4 per cent to 76 year-to-date sales, and the Audi A6 (129 units, falling 43.2 per cent) and Jaguar XF (98 sales, down 49.2 per cent) only slightly ahead.

Although the Lexus RX in the $70K-plus large SUV category has achieved 768 sales this year, down 6.7 per cent, according to Mr McGregor it is not a fait accompli that the Japanese luxury brand would abandon the large sedan market.

“It's pretty competitive,” he acknowledged of the situation.

“(But) the answer to that is not to withdraw, I don’t think. The answer to that is okay, our time will come, let’s make sure that we continue to offer great customer service and let’s make sure when our new product does arrive that they will understand the benefits of that product.” Asked whether Lexus dealers thought there was still room in showrooms for both the GS and its slightly smaller ES mid-size sedan sibling, Mr McGregor replied: “I think what dealers like is a full line-up.

“They want to be able to offer a competitive product that meets the market requirement in every key segment,” he continued.

“While we see the sedan segment in decline, and while we understand that based on competitive life cycles that sometimes that you have an older model while a competitor has a new model, and that impacts things, we understand that.”

The ES, which starts from $63,750 plus on-road costs compared with $76,220 for the GS, has recorded a slightly higher and steady 109 sales this year – down by a single unit compared with May last year.
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html
LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.

The current, fourth-generation GS launched in Australia in 2012 and is due for imminent replacement, however Lexus globally has not yet communicated a timeline for the successor for its BMW 5 Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class rival.

A report from Japanese magazine MagX earlier this year quoted an internal Lexus source saying that the next-generation GS had been cancelled, however that appears to be incorrect, according to Mr McGregor.

“I think it (new GS) would still be a four-door sedan in terms of its application, but the exterior styling may appear to be more liftback,” he told GoAuto at the national media launch of the Lexus LC in Tyabb, Victoria, this week.

“I’m not saying anything about the future, I’m just saying if you … want to talk about how we’re going to reinvigorate the sedan market, I think you can probably take a clue from the design of the next-generation LS.

“The styling of the vehicle is very much moving from a traditional three-box sedan, if you will, to more of a liftback body style. And I think that that change will actually add great appeal to the sedan market.”

While cautioning that he “can’t really speak about those future models” in detail, Mr McGregor admitted that even a new-generation GS would struggle to improve the overall fortunes of the large passenger car market.

“Do I think it (a new liftback) will reverse the trend to SUV?” he asked.

“No, I don’t. I think what we’re seeing with SUVs is going to be something that will be impacting our luxury market as it’s impacted luxury markets around the world for a period of time.

“But I don’t think that means that we give up on sedans at all.”

The $70K-plus large sedan and wagon market is up 37 per cent year-to-date, according to VFACTS May 2017 results, however this is entirely on the back of volume warfare between the just-released 5 Series (688 sales so far this year, up 196.6 per cent) and the barely older E-Class (876 units, up 135.5 per cent).

The fresh German duo have decimated rivals in the segment, with the Lexus GS down 17.4 per cent to 76 year-to-date sales, and the Audi A6 (129 units, falling 43.2 per cent) and Jaguar XF (98 sales, down 49.2 per cent) only slightly ahead.

Although the Lexus RX in the $70K-plus large SUV category has achieved 768 sales this year, down 6.7 per cent, according to Mr McGregor it is not a fait accompli that the Japanese luxury brand would abandon the large sedan market.

“It's pretty competitive,” he acknowledged of the situation.

“(But) the answer to that is not to withdraw, I don’t think. The answer to that is okay, our time will come, let’s make sure that we continue to offer great customer service and let’s make sure when our new product does arrive that they will understand the benefits of that product.” Asked whether Lexus dealers thought there was still room in showrooms for both the GS and its slightly smaller ES mid-size sedan sibling, Mr McGregor replied: “I think what dealers like is a full line-up.

“They want to be able to offer a competitive product that meets the market requirement in every key segment,” he continued.

“While we see the sedan segment in decline, and while we understand that based on competitive life cycles that sometimes that you have an older model while a competitor has a new model, and that impacts things, we understand that.”

The ES, which starts from $63,750 plus on-road costs compared with $76,220 for the GS, has recorded a slightly higher and steady 109 sales this year – down by a single unit compared with May last year.
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html
supra93
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html
The best looking GS IMO is still the 3GS i hope they can make the 5GS better than that.
supra93
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html
The best looking GS IMO is still the 3GS i hope they can make the 5GS better than that.
Very good to hear this..many of us for years have stated the GS moving to a 4 door coupe/liftback makes a ton of sense. Audi now has the S5 sportback and S7 here. BMW has the 4 series hatch. The Panamera etc etc...
Very good to hear this..many of us for years have stated the GS moving to a 4 door coupe/liftback makes a ton of sense. Audi now has the S5 sportback and S7 here. BMW has the 4 series hatch. The Panamera etc etc...
krew [​IMG]

Lexus Australia CEO gives insight into GS future.
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krew [​IMG]

Lexus Australia CEO gives insight into GS future.
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D
  • D
  • August 21, 2017
So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!
D
  • D
  • August 21, 2017
So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!
R
  • R
    RAL
  • August 21, 2017
I agree ... all things considered, a hiatus for the GS seems likely. And hopefully an ES F-Sport will stand in temporarily. Looking forward to October 2018!
R
  • R
    RAL
  • August 21, 2017
I agree ... all things considered, a hiatus for the GS seems likely. And hopefully an ES F-Sport will stand in temporarily. Looking forward to October 2018!
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
RAL
I agree ... all things considered, a hiatus for the GS seems likely. And hopefully an ES F-Sport will stand in temporarily. Looking forward to October 2018!
Please, no ES F Sport, no hiatus. An ES F Sport would tarnish the image and not appeal to anyone. The last thing in the world the white belt wearing ES buyer wants is a firm riding, sports oriented car. (On the other hand, what do I know? The RX F Sport seems to sell well.). And no hiatus as I would like to replace my GS before 2019.
RAL
I agree ... all things considered, a hiatus for the GS seems likely. And hopefully an ES F-Sport will stand in temporarily. Looking forward to October 2018!
Please, no ES F Sport, no hiatus. An ES F Sport would tarnish the image and not appeal to anyone. The last thing in the world the white belt wearing ES buyer wants is a firm riding, sports oriented car. (On the other hand, what do I know? The RX F Sport seems to sell well.). And no hiatus as I would like to replace my GS before 2019.
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I have mine in storage in Cali right now too bad am going to have to sell it. I hope they keep making the GS so the price of the GSF can drop because that's the only way am getting in a 4GS. But if the 5GS can be as good looking as the 3GS with a reasonable power increase that might be my next car. Two cars am looking forward to the new GS and the supposed Supra.
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I have mine in storage in Cali right now too bad am going to have to sell it. I hope they keep making the GS so the price of the GSF can drop because that's the only way am getting in a 4GS. But if the 5GS can be as good looking as the 3GS with a reasonable power increase that might be my next car. Two cars am looking forward to the new GS and the supposed Supra.
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I really feel like the 3GS body style has legs. Can't see giving up ours in the near future.
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I really feel like the 3GS body style has legs. Can't see giving up ours in the near future.
3GS was the best looking but worst driving, IMO. 4GS has been decent looking but the best driving. 2GS is a classic, and my favorite Lexus of all time.

Overall, excited with this news but Lexus should have been planning this strategy shift for the last 3-4 years, preparing to drop something into market around 2020.
3GS was the best looking but worst driving, IMO. 4GS has been decent looking but the best driving. 2GS is a classic, and my favorite Lexus of all time.

Overall, excited with this news but Lexus should have been planning this strategy shift for the last 3-4 years, preparing to drop something into market around 2020.
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 21, 2017
Reinvented? The 3GS was already essentially a 4-door coupe. Making the GS a 4 door coupe (again) would not be a new thing.

Also I really don't understand any of these hiatus rumors. Multiple Lexus models have been rumored to go on "hiatus". From a worldwide brand perspective, this makes zero sense and would only harm the brand. How often do models from the German Big 3 go on hiatus? For main models, almost never. Occasionally a niche model like an M, AMG, or RS might go on a temporary hiatus, but that's pretty much it.
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 21, 2017
Reinvented? The 3GS was already essentially a 4-door coupe. Making the GS a 4 door coupe (again) would not be a new thing.

Also I really don't understand any of these hiatus rumors. Multiple Lexus models have been rumored to go on "hiatus". From a worldwide brand perspective, this makes zero sense and would only harm the brand. How often do models from the German Big 3 go on hiatus? For main models, almost never. Occasionally a niche model like an M, AMG, or RS might go on a temporary hiatus, but that's pretty much it.
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I agree this GS was far better looking than the current model in my opinion so hopefully the next one will re capture some magic.
On a different tack what is happening with the CT replacement/additional model - gone very quiet on this model since it was cancelled in the US?
mikeavelli
I do miss this bodystyle a ton... View attachment 2529
I agree this GS was far better looking than the current model in my opinion so hopefully the next one will re capture some magic.
On a different tack what is happening with the CT replacement/additional model - gone very quiet on this model since it was cancelled in the US?

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