Video & Photo Gallery: 2018 Lexus LS 500 in Manganese Luster

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

mikeavelli

^^^^ Wow amazing stuff. Your ideas support some rumors that have swirled for awhile of a sedan above the LS.

As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.

That late 2014 blue Best Car rendering was probably the one not biased by the concept (cribbed more from 4LS), due to the LF-FC project not being public info nor even known by lower-level Toyota HQ personnel in Aichi, who probably leaked info about the 5LS to Best Car. I hated it with that blue rendering with a passion, but can see so many things were accurate as early as it was.


As for the fuel cell, maybe that will be the range topper, likely at 208-209 inches in length.

mikeavelli

^^^^ Wow amazing stuff. Your ideas support some rumors that have swirled for awhile of a sedan above the LS.

As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.

That late 2014 blue Best Car rendering was probably the one not biased by the concept (cribbed more from 4LS), due to the LF-FC project not being public info nor even known by lower-level Toyota HQ personnel in Aichi, who probably leaked info about the 5LS to Best Car. I hated it with that blue rendering with a passion, but can see so many things were accurate as early as it was.


As for the fuel cell, maybe that will be the range topper, likely at 208-209 inches in length.

mikeavelli

^^^^ Wow amazing stuff. Your ideas support some rumors that have swirled for awhile of a sedan above the LS.

As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.

That late 2014 blue Best Car rendering was probably the one not biased by the concept (cribbed more from 4LS), due to the LF-FC project not being public info nor even known by lower-level Toyota HQ personnel in Aichi, who probably leaked info about the 5LS to Best Car. I hated it with that blue rendering with a passion, but can see so many things were accurate as early as it was.


As for the fuel cell, maybe that will be the range topper, likely at 208-209 inches in length.

mikeavelli

^^^^ Wow amazing stuff. Your ideas support some rumors that have swirled for awhile of a sedan above the LS.

As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.

That late 2014 blue Best Car rendering was probably the one not biased by the concept (cribbed more from 4LS), due to the LF-FC project not being public info nor even known by lower-level Toyota HQ personnel in Aichi, who probably leaked info about the 5LS to Best Car. I hated it with that blue rendering with a passion, but can see so many things were accurate as early as it was.


As for the fuel cell, maybe that will be the range topper, likely at 208-209 inches in length.

ydooby

That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.

Great catch on MotorTrend's so-called Alfa Romeo Giulia spy pics, Carmaker1. If you look at MotorTrend's spy pic closely, you'll notice that it doesn't have any side window behind the rear door, a distinct feature of the 5LS. It also has wide fenders, which the 5LS does not have but somehow the white mule in the Japanese magazine Carmaker1 posted does.


So is the car in the spy shots posted by MotorTrend the same car as the white mule in the Japanese magazine? Very possibly so, but since it's simply a modified 4LS that was spotted way before the 5LS prototype was seen, and since the car in MotorTrend's spy shots shares identical wheels with the spied 5LS prototype, I'd say the mule posted by MotorTrend was no more than an early prototype on the GA-L platform with a 4LS shell, and not a fuel-cell prototype or a separate model positioned above the LS.

I have actually opened up a new thread on what it could be, as it is puzzling.

ydooby

That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.

Great catch on MotorTrend's so-called Alfa Romeo Giulia spy pics, Carmaker1. If you look at MotorTrend's spy pic closely, you'll notice that it doesn't have any side window behind the rear door, a distinct feature of the 5LS. It also has wide fenders, which the 5LS does not have but somehow the white mule in the Japanese magazine Carmaker1 posted does.


So is the car in the spy shots posted by MotorTrend the same car as the white mule in the Japanese magazine? Very possibly so, but since it's simply a modified 4LS that was spotted way before the 5LS prototype was seen, and since the car in MotorTrend's spy shots shares identical wheels with the spied 5LS prototype, I'd say the mule posted by MotorTrend was no more than an early prototype on the GA-L platform with a 4LS shell, and not a fuel-cell prototype or a separate model positioned above the LS.

I have actually opened up a new thread on what it could be, as it is puzzling.

ydooby

That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.

Great catch on MotorTrend's so-called Alfa Romeo Giulia spy pics, Carmaker1. If you look at MotorTrend's spy pic closely, you'll notice that it doesn't have any side window behind the rear door, a distinct feature of the 5LS. It also has wide fenders, which the 5LS does not have but somehow the white mule in the Japanese magazine Carmaker1 posted does.


So is the car in the spy shots posted by MotorTrend the same car as the white mule in the Japanese magazine? Very possibly so, but since it's simply a modified 4LS that was spotted way before the 5LS prototype was seen, and since the car in MotorTrend's spy shots shares identical wheels with the spied 5LS prototype, I'd say the mule posted by MotorTrend was no more than an early prototype on the GA-L platform with a 4LS shell, and not a fuel-cell prototype or a separate model positioned above the LS.

I have actually opened up a new thread on what it could be, as it is puzzling.

ydooby

That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.

Great catch on MotorTrend's so-called Alfa Romeo Giulia spy pics, Carmaker1. If you look at MotorTrend's spy pic closely, you'll notice that it doesn't have any side window behind the rear door, a distinct feature of the 5LS. It also has wide fenders, which the 5LS does not have but somehow the white mule in the Japanese magazine Carmaker1 posted does.


So is the car in the spy shots posted by MotorTrend the same car as the white mule in the Japanese magazine? Very possibly so, but since it's simply a modified 4LS that was spotted way before the 5LS prototype was seen, and since the car in MotorTrend's spy shots shares identical wheels with the spied 5LS prototype, I'd say the mule posted by MotorTrend was no more than an early prototype on the GA-L platform with a 4LS shell, and not a fuel-cell prototype or a separate model positioned above the LS.

I have actually opened up a new thread on what it could be, as it is puzzling.

Carmaker1

Anyway, what it seems to me is that, the LF-FC is definitely going to arrive as a fuel cell-powered larger vehicle, an XL version of the LS with unique styling. Similar to how the XL length X222 Mercedes-Maybach S600 exists alongside the LWB W222 Mercedes-Benz S600.


That explains why Mark Templin said that the LF-FC was NOT specifically the next LS, as even though it strongly hinted at it in the interior and front fascia, the C pillar and that of the rear were not exact.




The fuel cell will be a six-figure priced Lexus come 2020, as a possible Mercedes-Benz Maybach competitor. Lexus knew very well back in mid-2014, the design that was signed-off would be controversial, which coincides with many summer 2014 articles on Lexus going after the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Panamera. Yet they ended up favouring a more cab-rearward design for their concept developed in the months after that.

So what you are saying is that this vehicle will still be a part of the LS lineup, but technically in a separate segment that will compete with the ultra-luxury saloons such as Mercedes-Maybach, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc. And you are saying that it will be powered by a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? So it will be fully electric, probably the first in it's segment. What name do you guys think it will have? I'm going with LS 650eL (I tried "XL" but it looked too weird, 650 just because it will seem more prestigious than the V12-powered Mercedes-Maybach S600 ;) , and the "e" stands for "electric" since it is still electric even though it is powered by hydrogen rather than the traditional regular battery.). One thing is for sure, it will not get as many sales as it's competitors, because:

1) The brand name is not as "prestigious" as it's competitors.
2) It will most likely be the first ever saloon in it's segment to ever be powered with a battery, let alone only a battery.

I hope that this ultra-luxury LS you are talking will also have some more distinguishable exterior styling, such as more chrome trim, and maybe a hood ornament??? Oh and also some better wheels, please.

Carmaker1

Anyway, what it seems to me is that, the LF-FC is definitely going to arrive as a fuel cell-powered larger vehicle, an XL version of the LS with unique styling. Similar to how the XL length X222 Mercedes-Maybach S600 exists alongside the LWB W222 Mercedes-Benz S600.


That explains why Mark Templin said that the LF-FC was NOT specifically the next LS, as even though it strongly hinted at it in the interior and front fascia, the C pillar and that of the rear were not exact.




The fuel cell will be a six-figure priced Lexus come 2020, as a possible Mercedes-Benz Maybach competitor. Lexus knew very well back in mid-2014, the design that was signed-off would be controversial, which coincides with many summer 2014 articles on Lexus going after the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Panamera. Yet they ended up favouring a more cab-rearward design for their concept developed in the months after that.

So what you are saying is that this vehicle will still be a part of the LS lineup, but technically in a separate segment that will compete with the ultra-luxury saloons such as Mercedes-Maybach, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc. And you are saying that it will be powered by a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? So it will be fully electric, probably the first in it's segment. What name do you guys think it will have? I'm going with LS 650eL (I tried "XL" but it looked too weird, 650 just because it will seem more prestigious than the V12-powered Mercedes-Maybach S600 ;) , and the "e" stands for "electric" since it is still electric even though it is powered by hydrogen rather than the traditional regular battery.). One thing is for sure, it will not get as many sales as it's competitors, because:

1) The brand name is not as "prestigious" as it's competitors.
2) It will most likely be the first ever saloon in it's segment to ever be powered with a battery, let alone only a battery.

I hope that this ultra-luxury LS you are talking will also have some more distinguishable exterior styling, such as more chrome trim, and maybe a hood ornament??? Oh and also some better wheels, please.

Carmaker1

Anyway, what it seems to me is that, the LF-FC is definitely going to arrive as a fuel cell-powered larger vehicle, an XL version of the LS with unique styling. Similar to how the XL length X222 Mercedes-Maybach S600 exists alongside the LWB W222 Mercedes-Benz S600.


That explains why Mark Templin said that the LF-FC was NOT specifically the next LS, as even though it strongly hinted at it in the interior and front fascia, the C pillar and that of the rear were not exact.




The fuel cell will be a six-figure priced Lexus come 2020, as a possible Mercedes-Benz Maybach competitor. Lexus knew very well back in mid-2014, the design that was signed-off would be controversial, which coincides with many summer 2014 articles on Lexus going after the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Panamera. Yet they ended up favouring a more cab-rearward design for their concept developed in the months after that.

So what you are saying is that this vehicle will still be a part of the LS lineup, but technically in a separate segment that will compete with the ultra-luxury saloons such as Mercedes-Maybach, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc. And you are saying that it will be powered by a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? So it will be fully electric, probably the first in it's segment. What name do you guys think it will have? I'm going with LS 650eL (I tried "XL" but it looked too weird, 650 just because it will seem more prestigious than the V12-powered Mercedes-Maybach S600 ;) , and the "e" stands for "electric" since it is still electric even though it is powered by hydrogen rather than the traditional regular battery.). One thing is for sure, it will not get as many sales as it's competitors, because:

1) The brand name is not as "prestigious" as it's competitors.
2) It will most likely be the first ever saloon in it's segment to ever be powered with a battery, let alone only a battery.

I hope that this ultra-luxury LS you are talking will also have some more distinguishable exterior styling, such as more chrome trim, and maybe a hood ornament??? Oh and also some better wheels, please.

Carmaker1

Anyway, what it seems to me is that, the LF-FC is definitely going to arrive as a fuel cell-powered larger vehicle, an XL version of the LS with unique styling. Similar to how the XL length X222 Mercedes-Maybach S600 exists alongside the LWB W222 Mercedes-Benz S600.


That explains why Mark Templin said that the LF-FC was NOT specifically the next LS, as even though it strongly hinted at it in the interior and front fascia, the C pillar and that of the rear were not exact.




The fuel cell will be a six-figure priced Lexus come 2020, as a possible Mercedes-Benz Maybach competitor. Lexus knew very well back in mid-2014, the design that was signed-off would be controversial, which coincides with many summer 2014 articles on Lexus going after the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Panamera. Yet they ended up favouring a more cab-rearward design for their concept developed in the months after that.

So what you are saying is that this vehicle will still be a part of the LS lineup, but technically in a separate segment that will compete with the ultra-luxury saloons such as Mercedes-Maybach, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc. And you are saying that it will be powered by a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? So it will be fully electric, probably the first in it's segment. What name do you guys think it will have? I'm going with LS 650eL (I tried "XL" but it looked too weird, 650 just because it will seem more prestigious than the V12-powered Mercedes-Maybach S600 ;) , and the "e" stands for "electric" since it is still electric even though it is powered by hydrogen rather than the traditional regular battery.). One thing is for sure, it will not get as many sales as it's competitors, because:

1) The brand name is not as "prestigious" as it's competitors.
2) It will most likely be the first ever saloon in it's segment to ever be powered with a battery, let alone only a battery.

I hope that this ultra-luxury LS you are talking will also have some more distinguishable exterior styling, such as more chrome trim, and maybe a hood ornament??? Oh and also some better wheels, please.

Carmaker1

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

Those wheels are evolution of these



I would only assume that wheel design was too radical for conventional and understated 4LS back then.

Carmaker1

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

Those wheels are evolution of these



I would only assume that wheel design was too radical for conventional and understated 4LS back then.

Carmaker1

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

Those wheels are evolution of these



I would only assume that wheel design was too radical for conventional and understated 4LS back then.

Carmaker1

BTW, did anyone notice how the LF-FC clay model from December 2014 has the same exact wheel design as the LS500 and LS500h?

Those wheels are evolution of these



I would only assume that wheel design was too radical for conventional and understated 4LS back then.

I always loved this one. Thought it was going to be some sort of CLS/A7 fighter in-between GS and LS

I always loved this one. Thought it was going to be some sort of CLS/A7 fighter in-between GS and LS

I always loved this one. Thought it was going to be some sort of CLS/A7 fighter in-between GS and LS

I always loved this one. Thought it was going to be some sort of CLS/A7 fighter in-between GS and LS

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

Gecko

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

Ferrari literally just dropped a car today called the Ferrari 812 Super Fast. So maybe Lexus will follow suite and call it the LS 9000 Super LS hahahahahha

Gecko

I have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."

Ferrari literally just dropped a car today called the Ferrari 812 Super Fast. So maybe Lexus will follow suite and call it the LS 9000 Super LS hahahahahha