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Rhambler

Tesla is definitely eating away at this segment from a price-point perspective and that ludicrous mode definitely helps. However, the Germans have seemingly fended off a sales decline more so than Lexus simply because, imo, they are relatively fast or faster.

If you think anyone is buying flagship luxury sedans solely because of a few tenths of a second 0-60, you don't understand anything about this segment.

The LS is 11 years old and the S Class and 7 Series have seen 2 full generations since it was introduced.

Rhambler

Tesla is definitely eating away at this segment from a price-point perspective and that ludicrous mode definitely helps. However, the Germans have seemingly fended off a sales decline more so than Lexus simply because, imo, they are relatively fast or faster.

If you think anyone is buying flagship luxury sedans solely because of a few tenths of a second 0-60, you don't understand anything about this segment.

The LS is 11 years old and the S Class and 7 Series have seen 2 full generations since it was introduced.

I love cars that I can push to their limit . Not a car for bragging right.

I love cars that I can push to their limit . Not a car for bragging right.

I love cars that I can push to their limit . Not a car for bragging right.

I love cars that I can push to their limit . Not a car for bragging right.

Why not just offer a V8 at least, don't restrict engine choices?

You can wax lyrically about how good the TTV6 is and that's fine, but at least offer a V8 for those where that will be a dealbreaker (and there will be).

Why not just offer a V8 at least, don't restrict engine choices?

You can wax lyrically about how good the TTV6 is and that's fine, but at least offer a V8 for those where that will be a dealbreaker (and there will be).

Why not just offer a V8 at least, don't restrict engine choices?

You can wax lyrically about how good the TTV6 is and that's fine, but at least offer a V8 for those where that will be a dealbreaker (and there will be).

Why not just offer a V8 at least, don't restrict engine choices?

You can wax lyrically about how good the TTV6 is and that's fine, but at least offer a V8 for those where that will be a dealbreaker (and there will be).

There will be a V8 - it's just going to cost $100k or more, so basically, you'll be able to buy an LS F for about the same price as a decently optioned S560.

There will be a V8 - it's just going to cost $100k or more, so basically, you'll be able to buy an LS F for about the same price as a decently optioned S560.

There will be a V8 - it's just going to cost $100k or more, so basically, you'll be able to buy an LS F for about the same price as a decently optioned S560.

There will be a V8 - it's just going to cost $100k or more, so basically, you'll be able to buy an LS F for about the same price as a decently optioned S560.

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

Rhambler

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

You continue to make the same assumptions over and over again with absolutely no factual data, so at this point, all we can do is wait to see how Lexus prices the car and also how it performs.

Rhambler

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

You continue to make the same assumptions over and over again with absolutely no factual data, so at this point, all we can do is wait to see how Lexus prices the car and also how it performs.

Rhambler

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

You continue to make the same assumptions over and over again with absolutely no factual data, so at this point, all we can do is wait to see how Lexus prices the car and also how it performs.

Rhambler

It will be interesting where Lexus prices the v6. If it prices it in the same league as the German V8s, it will never sell, especially if the actual performance falls well short of what Lexus thinks it will perform.

I honestly believe Lexus will price it like a BMW 750 or A8 4.0t. I also believe because of this and because it will probably perform worse than comparable V6s yet priced like a V8, it won't sell.

0-60 times isn't everything but it's definetely part of the equation. Ignore it at your own peril. Look at Lexus now, most of their lineup is falling off the sales chart and they're all slow and boring and boring is synonymous with slow. I recently got a very fast, large and comfortable car and that speed is amazing. Being able to switch from a comfortable cruiser to absolute stop light beast at the press of the button is amazing and something the LS 460 lacked big time. I didn't appreciate it because I never experienced it, but once you do, there's no going back.

You continue to make the same assumptions over and over again with absolutely no factual data, so at this point, all we can do is wait to see how Lexus prices the car and also how it performs.

Well that is the point of these forums to some extent: speculate on what may come.

I made no declarations that what I'm saying is factual. It's just like the posts saying a 600 HP v8 tt is coming. It's all speculation.

However, if you rewind and go back, I tried to make sound arguments as to why I believe it will be as such.

Heck people all over Clublexus were up in arms when I suggested it needed to be priced like the German V6s.

But you're right, we shall see...

Well that is the point of these forums to some extent: speculate on what may come.

I made no declarations that what I'm saying is factual. It's just like the posts saying a 600 HP v8 tt is coming. It's all speculation.

However, if you rewind and go back, I tried to make sound arguments as to why I believe it will be as such.

Heck people all over Clublexus were up in arms when I suggested it needed to be priced like the German V6s.

But you're right, we shall see...

Well that is the point of these forums to some extent: speculate on what may come.

I made no declarations that what I'm saying is factual. It's just like the posts saying a 600 HP v8 tt is coming. It's all speculation.

However, if you rewind and go back, I tried to make sound arguments as to why I believe it will be as such.

Heck people all over Clublexus were up in arms when I suggested it needed to be priced like the German V6s.

But you're right, we shall see...

Well that is the point of these forums to some extent: speculate on what may come.

I made no declarations that what I'm saying is factual. It's just like the posts saying a 600 HP v8 tt is coming. It's all speculation.

However, if you rewind and go back, I tried to make sound arguments as to why I believe it will be as such.

Heck people all over Clublexus were up in arms when I suggested it needed to be priced like the German V6s.

But you're right, we shall see...

Another thing is MSRP means less when most of these cars are discounted and leased aggressively. BMW offered some ridiculous incentives to me to get out of my LS.....

Another thing is MSRP means less when most of these cars are discounted and leased aggressively. BMW offered some ridiculous incentives to me to get out of my LS.....

Another thing is MSRP means less when most of these cars are discounted and leased aggressively. BMW offered some ridiculous incentives to me to get out of my LS.....

Another thing is MSRP means less when most of these cars are discounted and leased aggressively. BMW offered some ridiculous incentives to me to get out of my LS.....