Video & Photo Gallery: 2018 Lexus LS 500 in Autumn Shimmer

mikeavelli

Is is not the same thing and not really close. I'm glad you posted here as I need pictures to help better explain.

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door. Yes this has been done a few times before and relatively easy compared to what Lexus just did.


Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

It's really a breathtaking piece of work.



Also note everyone how detailed the chrome trim is in the rear. Its not just the usual slab sided piece of chrome.

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

mikeavelli

Is is not the same thing and not really close. I'm glad you posted here as I need pictures to help better explain.

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door. Yes this has been done a few times before and relatively easy compared to what Lexus just did.


Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

It's really a breathtaking piece of work.



Also note everyone how detailed the chrome trim is in the rear. Its not just the usual slab sided piece of chrome.

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

mordecai

That back looks so good! I didn't think much about it but it looks great in video. The wheels look a little small because the LS is such a huge car.

Some wheel designs do have a smaller diameter, pretty sure this was a design in a smaller size.

mordecai

That back looks so good! I didn't think much about it but it looks great in video. The wheels look a little small because the LS is such a huge car.

Some wheel designs do have a smaller diameter, pretty sure this was a design in a smaller size.

mordecai

That back looks so good! I didn't think much about it but it looks great in video. The wheels look a little small because the LS is such a huge car.

Some wheel designs do have a smaller diameter, pretty sure this was a design in a smaller size.

mordecai

That back looks so good! I didn't think much about it but it looks great in video. The wheels look a little small because the LS is such a huge car.

Some wheel designs do have a smaller diameter, pretty sure this was a design in a smaller size.

mikeavelli

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door.

With many vehicles, that is done for reasons of reliability with the power-windows...less chance of a glass window-pane jumping or slipping out of its channel when going up or down, and having to be realigned.

Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

I understand what you are getting at, but I'd describe it more as what, back in the 60s and 70s, we'd call a hardtop look rather than a coupe appearance. Back then, a true hard-top sedan had no B-pillars......the front and rear window panes (and edge-insulation) simply sealed up against each other when both windows are up (which often served as a focal point for rattles and squeaks). This latest style by Lexus is, of course, not quite the same thing, but apparently designed to mimic it with almost-invisible B-pillars.

mikeavelli

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door.

With many vehicles, that is done for reasons of reliability with the power-windows...less chance of a glass window-pane jumping or slipping out of its channel when going up or down, and having to be realigned.

Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

I understand what you are getting at, but I'd describe it more as what, back in the 60s and 70s, we'd call a hardtop look rather than a coupe appearance. Back then, a true hard-top sedan had no B-pillars......the front and rear window panes (and edge-insulation) simply sealed up against each other when both windows are up (which often served as a focal point for rattles and squeaks). This latest style by Lexus is, of course, not quite the same thing, but apparently designed to mimic it with almost-invisible B-pillars.

mikeavelli

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door.

With many vehicles, that is done for reasons of reliability with the power-windows...less chance of a glass window-pane jumping or slipping out of its channel when going up or down, and having to be realigned.

Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

I understand what you are getting at, but I'd describe it more as what, back in the 60s and 70s, we'd call a hardtop look rather than a coupe appearance. Back then, a true hard-top sedan had no B-pillars......the front and rear window panes (and edge-insulation) simply sealed up against each other when both windows are up (which often served as a focal point for rattles and squeaks). This latest style by Lexus is, of course, not quite the same thing, but apparently designed to mimic it with almost-invisible B-pillars.

mikeavelli

Here is a 2007 Honda Legend (our Acura RL). The frameless glass is within the door completely. The window ends at the door.

With many vehicles, that is done for reasons of reliability with the power-windows...less chance of a glass window-pane jumping or slipping out of its channel when going up or down, and having to be realigned.

Here is the 2018 Lexus LS 500 rear window up close. Even the B-Pillar is flush. It gives it a very coupelike profile. Note how not just the window that drops down into the door is frameless but the window trim to the door and after the door into the C Pillar.

I understand what you are getting at, but I'd describe it more as what, back in the 60s and 70s, we'd call a hardtop look rather than a coupe appearance. Back then, a true hard-top sedan had no B-pillars......the front and rear window panes (and edge-insulation) simply sealed up against each other when both windows are up (which often served as a focal point for rattles and squeaks). This latest style by Lexus is, of course, not quite the same thing, but apparently designed to mimic it with almost-invisible B-pillars.

Rydo

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Rydo

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Rydo

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Rydo

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Rydo

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Indeed. People stuck in the 1990s/early 2000s waiting for some Honda revival are missing the memo the rest of the world has moved on.

Rydo

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Indeed. People stuck in the 1990s/early 2000s waiting for some Honda revival are missing the memo the rest of the world has moved on.

Rydo

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Indeed. People stuck in the 1990s/early 2000s waiting for some Honda revival are missing the memo the rest of the world has moved on.

Rydo

I can see what you mean now.


Either way we are splitting hairs, it does get a little irritating when everyone is amazed by all this 'newness', my 2007 Legend also has adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist steering. Keep in mind the car actually came out in 2005 in Japan! The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...something everyone thinks is space age with the latest NSX and Focus RS for instance...Where is that with this new LS? ;)

Another disclaimer...I'm not here to say how much better Honda are than Lexus...right now Honda suck ass and have given up with Acura brand and anything of interest in Europe, hence why I am looking to the future which I think will be a Lexus!

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Indeed. People stuck in the 1990s/early 2000s waiting for some Honda revival are missing the memo the rest of the world has moved on.

rydo

The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...

mikeavelli

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

rydo

The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...

mikeavelli

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

rydo

The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...

mikeavelli

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

rydo

The good old days when Honda actually tried I suppose. It even has four wheel drive that can deliver more power to individual wheels to pull it around a corner and make it handle amazingly well for a 2.3 ton car...

mikeavelli

Thanks. I'm well versed in vehicles worldwide. :) Lexus explained to me in detail the trouble they went through with that particular part of the car. Maybe I am not communicating what they told me effectively or correctly. We never got all the tricks with the RL you got overseas with the Legend.

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Yes, for years, Honda/Acura styling and engineering went downhill, but their products remained precision-built like Swiss watches, with excellent-quality materials. Now, even that is starting to suffer some. Even the Honda Service Technicians (who make their living keeping these products running) say they are now using cheaper parts.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Yes, for years, Honda/Acura styling and engineering went downhill, but their products remained precision-built like Swiss watches, with excellent-quality materials. Now, even that is starting to suffer some. Even the Honda Service Technicians (who make their living keeping these products running) say they are now using cheaper parts.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Yes, for years, Honda/Acura styling and engineering went downhill, but their products remained precision-built like Swiss watches, with excellent-quality materials. Now, even that is starting to suffer some. Even the Honda Service Technicians (who make their living keeping these products running) say they are now using cheaper parts.

Ian Schmidt

A lot of us miss the mid-to-late 90s when Acura/Honda was on its game making really cool cars (and the Accord of that time was pretty sweet as well). We're car nuts too, not just Lexus enthusiasts.

Yes, for years, Honda/Acura styling and engineering went downhill, but their products remained precision-built like Swiss watches, with excellent-quality materials. Now, even that is starting to suffer some. Even the Honda Service Technicians (who make their living keeping these products running) say they are now using cheaper parts.

mmcartalk

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

Yes I know how it all drives and works. And obviously I was right about the car but if people want to disagree, thats fine :D

Anywhoo, lets all move this back to the 2018 LS......

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mmcartalk

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

Yes I know how it all drives and works. And obviously I was right about the car but if people want to disagree, thats fine :D

Anywhoo, lets all move this back to the 2018 LS......

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mmcartalk

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

Yes I know how it all drives and works. And obviously I was right about the car but if people want to disagree, thats fine :D

Anywhoo, lets all move this back to the 2018 LS......

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mmcartalk

If you two are referring to the SH-AWD system, then, yes, we did get that system, here in the U.S., as standard equipment on the 2nd-generation Acura RL (the one that you and I had a number of conversations and agreements/disagreements on a number of years ago, Mike) ;) Unfortunately, the standard SH-AWD system was not transferred to the third-generation of that car, the RLX.....FWD with all-wheel steering is now standard, with the SH-AWD as an optional higher-trim level.

Yes I know how it all drives and works. And obviously I was right about the car but if people want to disagree, thats fine :D

Anywhoo, lets all move this back to the 2018 LS......

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