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2012 Lexus GS-F?

Posted by Kevin on December 1st, 2010

Road & Track sure are rumor-happy this week — first there was their report that the next-generation Lexus IS will be built in 2013 on a modified FT-86 platform, and now today they’re back with news of the 2012 GS-F:

Our sources tell us that [the GS-F] will come with a 5.0-liter V-8 that will produce about 465 bhp. Toyota predicts the car will run from zero to 60 mph in less than 4.5 seconds, making it a serious rival for both the BMW M5 and Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG. The secret to its performance will not only be engine power, but also weight, or lack thereof. Toyota engineers want to pare the weight down to about 3700 lb. by incorporating aluminum and carbon-fiber parts. The GS F will probably cost around $90,000 to $100,000 and may make an appearance as early as 2012.

Given that this information is almost identical to a year-old rumor from Motor Trend, it’s hard to say if this is just recycled or if it adds weight to facts.

Regardless, the stats would put the GS-F at a competitive level with the competition — after all, the 2010 BMW M5 had 500 hp, a 0-60 of 4.7s and a $85,700USD price-tag, and the current Mercedes E63 comes in at 518 hp, 0-60 in 4.4s and a cost of $90,000USD. The only discrepancy would be in the horsepower numbers, but if the GS-F can compete with the rest of the class, that’s really a moot point.

(I’m not even going to talk about the article’s accompanying image.)

[Source: Road & Track via Autoguide]

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LOL
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    Crux
  • December 1, 2010
ROFL, it would have been funnier if they took the BMW M5 front half & E63 AMG back half render those two together. This is funny but lacking imagination!
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Hopefully still naturally-aspirated!
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    RDS
  • December 1, 2010
BMW announce they will back to Turbo Charged , so did Mercedes-Benz . Lexus ... Toyota , could you bring Turbo Charged Direct Injection alive ?
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    05RollaXRS
  • December 1, 2010
The next twin turbo M5 is confirmed to be a heavy pig at 4500 lbs. I think Lexus has an opportunity here to create a lightweight car albeit with less horsepower, which will make it a much superior car overall.:-(
krew
05RollaXRS wrote:The next twin turbo M5 is confirmed to be a heavy pig at 4500 lbs. I think Lexus has an opportunity here to create a lightweight car albeit with less horsepower, which will make it a much superior car overall.:-(
I was looking for info on the next-gen M5 -- are there any rumors on the HP? I read 555 hp, but that sounds crazy.
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    05RollaXRS
  • December 1, 2010
Yes, around 550 - 580 HP, but like I said before, it is said to be a big, heavy tank at 4500 lbs. Even the standard 550i weighs 4300 lbs.
krew wrote:
05RollaXRS wrote:The next twin turbo M5 is confirmed to be a heavy pig at 4500 lbs. I think Lexus has an opportunity here to create a lightweight car albeit with less horsepower, which will make it a much superior car overall.:-(
I was looking for info on the next-gen M5 — are there any rumors on the HP? I read 555 hp, but that sounds crazy.
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    jerryntom
  • December 1, 2010
LOL the whole pic is just a combination of the IS and the current GS
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    jesseps
  • December 1, 2010
If its lighter then the M5, E63 and has a comparable 0-100 km/h its all fine and dandy.
krew
05RollaXRS wrote:Yes, around 550 – 580 HP, but like I said before, it is said to be a big, heavy tank at 4500 lbs. Even the standard 550i weighs 4300 lbs.
No wonder they need so much horsepower...wonder what's going on over there at BMW. Looks like an identity crisis to me.
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    Travis
  • December 2, 2010
I hope its bad ass ! This is what the GS needs.. reminds me of the GS400 Lexus needs to attack performance head on.. The ISF... LFA... Hope they dont stop ! What Lexus did drop the ball on IMO is the CT... with the right petrol engine and suspension that thing could have been one smoking hatch... N what about the ES ? No F love for it? A bit lower, stiffer, shaper ES F or ES F-Sport could be something that would sell... The ES always has the power.. just needs the rest. I wonder if the IS350 engine could go in the ES... mmmm
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    Bobby
  • December 2, 2010
haha the photochop is so good the F logo on the side is flipped :D
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    Travis
  • December 2, 2010
Lexus proved with the LFA that you dont need the most HP to take em down ;) But I do hope that the GS HP is competitive.
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    Travis
  • December 2, 2010
@Bobby: good eye ! lol
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    05RollaXRS
  • December 2, 2010
Exactly. Weight is the enemy of everything. Everything suffers due to more weight. Handling, fuel economy, balance, acceleration, efficiency etc. Lexus needs to target the main culprit, which is weight. @Travis:
krew wrote:
05RollaXRS wrote:Yes, around 550 – 580 HP, but like I said before, it is said to be a big, heavy tank at 4500 lbs. Even the standard 550i weighs 4300 lbs.
No wonder they need so much horsepower…wonder what’s going on over there at BMW. Looks like an identity crisis to me.
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    pj
  • December 2, 2010
RDS wrote:BMW announce they will back to Turbo Charged , so did Mercedes-Benz .Lexus … Toyota , could you bring Turbo Charged Direct Injection alive ?
Actually, they are looking to add turbos and DI to their line up: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/22/report-toyota-plans-to-add-turbo-direct-injection-to-most-of-l/
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    pj
  • December 2, 2010
krew wrote:I was looking for info on the next-gen M5 — are there any rumors on the HP? I read 555 hp, but that sounds crazy.
I think 555 hp is entirely possible because the X5 M and X6 M have that power. The M5 will probably get that exact same engine or even a more powerful variant.
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    Eljay
  • December 2, 2010
The illustration may not be too credible,but I like the prospect of it having a very strong focus on weight reduction. Every pound shed translates into improved handling,braking and agility.
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    Wunko
  • December 2, 2010
Another interesting photochop!
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    RollaXRS
  • December 2, 2010
I really hope Lexus can target very lightweight, telepathic response and high-revving N/A engine for the GS-F. It will be a winner since M5, RS6, E63 etc. are all extremely heavy at 4500+ lbs, have laggy turbo lags and don't sound sporty at all with all the hissing sound. If Lexus targets a very lightweight (3600 - 3700 lbs) for the GS-F and puts the masterpiece LFA engine in it. It will blow everyone away with how responsive and sonorous it will be. That will be the best combination imaginable.
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    JVX
  • December 2, 2010
So much for 'efficient dynamic' on BMW's part. I like Lexus' strategy, just keep them weight down. As far as look goes, I hope that won't be it.
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    Thomas
  • December 3, 2010
GS 450h is fast and enough and "sporty" for a Lexus. It's comfy too, which a Lexus must be.
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    RollaXRS
  • December 3, 2010
It may be sporty enough for a Lexus. However, it is nowhere near as sporty as what an enthusiast would want, which is where GS-F will hopefully fill in the gap.
Thomas wrote:GS 450h is fast and enough and “sporty” for a Lexus. It’s comfy too, which a Lexus must be.
krew
RollaXRS wrote:If Lexus targets a very lightweight (3600 – 3700 lbs) for the GS-F and puts the masterpiece LFA engine in it. It will blow everyone away with how responsive and sonorous it will be. That will be the best combination imaginable.
I didn't even want to mention the LFA engine, as I don't like to get my hopes up, but I have my fingers crossed that it shows up in the GS-F. It would be an instant success -- there's no question the LFA is building up some real positive buzz, and this would be an excellent way to tap into it.
krew
JVX wrote:As far as look goes, I hope that won’t be it.
I can guarantee that it's not even close. :-)
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    Tilps
  • December 3, 2010
i think gs-f gets is-f sound, low and deep
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    RollaXRS
  • December 3, 2010
LFA sound is the best out of any production car today (next to 599 GTO) so ultimate winner would be the LFA sound in a 4 door sedan. That will just be mind blowing.
Tilps wrote:i think gs-f gets is-f sound, low and deep
krew
Thomas wrote:GS 450h is fast and enough and “sporty” for a Lexus. It’s comfy too, which a Lexus must be.
One thing I wouldn't be surprised by is the next-gen GS hybrid replacing the GS 460 -- especially if there's a GS-F.
krew
RollaXRS wrote:LFA sound is the best out of any production car today (next to 599 GTO) so ultimate winner would be the LFA sound in a 4 door sedan. That will just be mind blowing.
Can't even imagine a sedan making the same sound as the LFA -- what a fantastic concept. :-)
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    LEXUSBOY
  • December 4, 2010
That looks more like a photoshopped IS F.. also dimensionally at least from that image it looks smaller than the current GS which is unlikely as it is tight on rear seat space.

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