Toyota BZ4X

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Absolutely nothing like it. One day you will start driving EVs and you will understand the difference.
Anyone that isn't arithmetically challenged and who tops up to consistent 80% or 90%, and know how cold weather impacts the driving range, will not have an issue at all.

Just make sure to reset the odometer reading every time on charges.

These issues are not even a deal breaker and software updates will fix those in due time.

I've seen fair share of owners on TMC complaining about the stated remaining range and Tesla has been the leader in EVs for more than a decade now.

 

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Toyota Norway has been doing a lot of PR fixes these days:
- New software will be released in May 2023
- Will have to be applied by dealers
- Fixes for % battery not showing in display, return of some battery capacity that was reserved (extra 10km-15km of range), smarter AC usage showing in remaining capacity.
- they are now allowing for 3.8x battery charges during 24hr period.

These are 13 months after initial release of the vehicle, and hopefully they will speed up.

Also they were explaining to Bjorn how actually reason for Bz4X bad efficiency, is due to them calculating charging losses into consumption in display, which makes no sense at all, since most of Euro journalists tested actual efficiency and not based it on display which often lies in every vehicle.

Norway is big market for Toyota, and overall BZ4X is very important vehicle in most of the western european countries.
 
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This is Toyota's opportunity to build a car that can go on land and on sea. 👊🏻😤

"The new Toyota bZ4X... a car that can go on road, and off... literally... like in the water..."

"The bZ4X is equipped with locking and unlocking wheel lugs that can fall off whenever it wants to go for an excursion under water"
 
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There's been a fair amount of that kind of accident ever since all the manufacturers stopped doing the PRNDL that everyone knows how to use in favor of increasingly weird levers/knobs/whatever. I don't know the psychology behind it, but when Park is a completely separate button from the rest of the gear selections it's easy to forget, especially if you're tired or distracted. I've had a few close calls myself with that, but no actual disasters yet.
 

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I thought this was worth mentioning.

Usually articles mentioning anything about BZ4X is negative. There are small (but unfortunately loud) critics who like to jump on that negative wave for clicks or whatever. But I am pleasantly surprised that it’s outselling the Ionic 5. I am starting to see quite a few of these on the road and I also purchased a LE after looking at what it really offered rather than listening to hot takes. The biggest shortcoming, range, wasn’t an issue for me as I’m using this 99% in city and I didn’t foresee a situation where I would frequently use this for more than 200 miles a day. It is a spectacular vehicle for the vast majority of city dwellers.
 

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I thought this was worth mentioning.

Usually articles mentioning anything about BZ4X is negative. There are small (but unfortunately loud) critics who like to jump on that negative wave for clicks or whatever. But I am pleasantly surprised that it’s outselling the Ionic 5. I am starting to see quite a few of these on the road and I also purchased a LE after looking at what it really offered rather than listening to hot takes. The biggest shortcoming, range, wasn’t an issue for me as I’m using this 99% in city and I didn’t foresee a situation where I would frequently use this for more than 200 miles a day. It is a spectacular vehicle for the vast majority of city dwellers.
If you plow enough incentives everything moves.

For example bz4x lease includes nearly $20k incentives package before state and utility discount. Regardless of ones beliefs of how bad an ev is, thats alot of money to ignore. Bz4x/solterra/rz and other oem evs are quickly becoming favorites for fleet vehicles like uber as well.
 

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If you plow enough incentives everything moves.

For example bz4x lease includes nearly $20k incentives package before state and utility discount. Regardless of ones beliefs of how bad an ev is, thats alot of money to ignore. Bz4x/solterra/rz and other oem evs are quickly becoming favorites for fleet vehicles like uber as well.
Hasn’t every manufacturer been playing the same game? I know Mazda had a very similar deal for their CX90 PHEV, but specifically because they could use the EV tax credit loophole on a lease.


The largest offer I could find on Toyota’s page is $17,750 lease cash.
The “lease cash” offer, from understanding, is a loophole for dealers to use the $7500 tax credit to reduce cap cost. It makes the financial hurdle for purchasing an EV significantly lower. Other dealers have access to the same state and utility discounts too. I was expecting BZ4X to be much lower volume. I’m pleasantly surprised. I’ve also noticed a lot of RZs in my area
 

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I wonder if off lease EVs won't be common first cars for teens that are starting to drive. Not very old, modern, safe, cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and -- most importantly -- will effectively be 3rd vehicles in the household. They don't need to be roadtrip ready. My daughter is 3 years from driving and I could see us grabbing a used EV as her car.
 

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Hasn’t every manufacturer been playing the same game? I know Mazda had a very similar deal for their CX90 PHEV, but specifically because they could use the EV tax credit loophole on a lease.


The largest offer I could find on Toyota’s page is $17,750 lease cash.
The “lease cash” offer, from understanding, is a loophole for dealers to use the $7500 tax credit to reduce cap cost. It makes the financial hurdle for purchasing an EV significantly lower. Other dealers have access to the same state and utility discounts too. I was expecting BZ4X to be much lower volume. I’m pleasantly surprised. I’ve also noticed a lot of RZs in my area
Agreed. Most dealers are structuring these for lease to buy to make sure they can move the metal and LFS seems to be ready to assist buyers if you do a zero day buyout and capture all of the rebates. (no need to keep the lease any longer contrary to what dealers have said).

That being the other elephant in the room, is that Lexus is pushing quite a large sum of incentives on select phevs, whether advertised or not. The delta between the RZ and say a NX /RX becomes quite minimal.
I wonder if off lease EVs won't be common first cars for teens that are starting to drive. Not very old, modern, safe, cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and -- most importantly -- will effectively be 3rd vehicles in the household. They don't need to be roadtrip ready. My daughter is 3 years from driving and I could see us grabbing a used EV as her car.
For sure, as long as the primary charging station exists at home. You also can avail of used rebates, i believe $3500.