The decline of American car culture

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This article from the Washington Post (a generally good one, IMO), describes how many of today's young people aren't into the car culture as much as previous generations were (including, of course, those of my age who grew up in the '60s age of muscle-cars and barge-like luxury cars). I wasn't quite sure exactly where to post it, but figured the Garage forum would probably be the most fitting. (Moderators.....you can move it if desired).

Of course, one thing that is often forgotten (even, to some extent, with this article) in the worship of that simpler time, less congestion, and more driving fun is how many people (and especially young people) were hurt or killed by the drag racing and aggressive driving that that culture often encouraged.....in cars that lacked most of today's safety features. I saw some people I knew in high school become obituaries. Many others, over the years, seem to have been hurt or killed in V8 Mustangs....it's not the only car hazardous to aggressive driving, but there's something about that car, especially, that seems to encourage biting off more than one can chew behind the wheel.

Anyhow, a good article about an age that may be now in its twilight period.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/...fc195c2c9416f2ccdc4_story.html?wpisrc=nl_draw

Chuck Mecca, his beard long since gone white, is a regular at the Cruise-In, a weekly gathering of guys whose enduring love is a set of wheels that delivers them back to the time when customizing and showing off your car was the ultimate expression of self.

Now 72, Mecca was 18 when he worked the biggest newspaper delivery route in McLean to amass the cash to buy his first car, a ’53 Ford that didn’t have a working second gear. He pumped gas at Tuthill’s Texaco to pay for wheels to cruise over the bridge to Georgetown or impress the girls at Tops Drive Inn in Falls Church.

Back then, he could name the make and model of anything that zipped by. Even now, cars speak for him: “When my wife beat ovarian cancer,” he says, “I bought her her dream car,” a ’56 Chevy Nomad station wagon.

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(Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
On Friday evenings at the Cruise-In, Mecca and his buddies cluster behind the ’72 Dodge Challenger and the electric-blue ’65 Corvette. They check under the hoods and trade stories about cars and women and where the years have gone.

For nearly all of the first century of automobile travel, getting your license meant liberation from parental control, a passport to the open road. Today, only half of millennials bother to get their driver’s licenses by age 18. Car culture, the 20th-century engine of the American Dream, is an old guy’s game.

“The automobile just isn’t that important to people’s lives anymore,” says Mike Berger, a historian who studies the social effect of the car. “The automobile provided the means for teenagers to live their own lives. Social media blows any limits out of the water. You don’t need the car to go find friends.”

Much of the emotional meaning of the car, especially to young adults, has transferred to the smartphone, says Mark Lizewskie, executive director of the Antique Automobile Club of America Museum in Hershey, Pa. “Instead of Ford versus Chevy, it’s Apple versus Android, and instead of customizing their ride, they customize their phones with covers and apps,” he says. “You express yourself through your phone, whereas lately, cars have become more like appliances, with 100,000-mile warranties.”

At the Cruise-In, 30 miles outside Washington, Mecca and a cluster of other collectors, all men past the half-century mark, trade laments — for the days when cars had more fanciful designs, for what they fear will be the loss of the Washington Redskins’ team name, for their children’s lack of interest in cars.

“The world’s changing too fast for me,” Mecca says. “I’d like to be back in the ’50s.” The old guys’ conversation turns to blemishes — not on the sparkling cars before them, but on their own, less painstakingly preserved bodies. “It’s benign, thank the Lord,” Mecca says of the spot on his scalp.

“This is what we talk about,” says Gary Fanning, 58. He tried to give his son his ’65 pickup. Gift declined; not interested.

Across the parking lot, though, a few much younger men take a stand for their generation. Kevin Kurdziolek, 26, and his friend Conner Walsh, 25, match their elders in passion. Their Mustangs — Kevin’s ’03 SVT Cobra and Conner’s ’04 Mach 1 — are buffed to a showroom gleam. They, too, have dewy memories of how their love of cars began. Walsh grew up collecting Hot Wheels, and Kurdziolek’s father was into drag racing. They, too, know how to rebuild a suspension. They, too, believe a cool car is a fast track to a woman’s heart.

“There’s something to be said about picking up a chick in this car,” Kurdziolek says. “It’s cool and loud and aggressive. You don’t even have to hear her. You don’t even need music.”


The young guys realize they are the anomalies in their generation. Coming up behind them are people like Kurdziolek’s younger brother, who is 21. “He can’t afford most cars,” Kevin says. “He’s looking for something that has a long warranty on it, good fuel efficiency, Bluetooth, all the odds and ends for his phone. It’s just about utility for him.”

Kurdziolek and Walsh don’t quite fit with Mecca and the old regulars, and they’re already nostalgic for a time when teenagers rushed to get their licenses. As car buffs, their road forward looks lonely, and the way back is crowded with another generation’s memories.

The times are changing

The number of vehicles on American roads soared every year until the recession hit in 2008. Then the number plummeted. Recently, it’s crept back up. Similarly, the number of drivers has leveled off.

“In the near future, cars will control the driver instead of the other way around,” says John Heitmann, a historian at the University of Dayton who studies Americans’ relationship with automobiles. (He also is restoring a 1971 Porsche 911T Targa.) “And the way we live now, especially on the coasts, it’s a bother to own a car. For young people, and not just the urban elite, there’s not even a desire to drive.”

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Americans drive fewer miles per year — down about 9 percent over the past two decades. The percentage of 19-year-olds with driver’s licenses has dropped from 87 percent two decades ago to 70 percent last year. Most teens now do not get licensed within a year of becoming eligible, according to a study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

“Their priorities are different — they have Mom and Dad to drive them around, and some frankly say, ‘I don’t need to drive; I can walk to Metro,’ ” says Jim Snow, a retired Montgomery County police officer who teaches driving at the I Drive Smart school in Rockville.

As cars have become more automated and reliable, teens have lost their connection to the mechanics of the vehicle. “I don’t see kids who know what’s under the hood anymore,” Snow says. “A lot of them don’t even know how to open the hood.”

Why this disconnect is happening is very much subject to interpretation.

It’s all about a craving for simplicity, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said, a reluctance to jump into the trappings of adult life — marriage, children, car. Just as millennials delay buying houses, so too have they found other ways to get around — Uber, Zipcar, public transit, texting friends to see who can offer a lift.

No, it’s the economy, stupid, some car industry analysts and executives say. The recession hit this generation just as it was about to put down roots. Fewer jobs meant less money, which translated into an inability to buy, insure or maintain a car.

Now, as the economy bounces back, auto sales are up 4 percent in the first half of this year. Americans are choosing big vehicles again. Thanks in part to low gas prices, sales of SUVs and light trucks are up. Sedans, subcompacts, hybrids and electrics are down.

“This is all actually economics, not preferences,” says Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Center for Automotive Research, a nonprofit group funded by government and industry grants. When the cost of owning a car drops below 10 percent of income, “young people will stop telling pollsters they can do without cars. You say you’re not interested in owning something if you can’t afford it,” he argues.

Millennials increasingly telecommute, use public transit, connect with friends digitally without always having to meet in person, and live in big cities. About 40 percent of them say they intend to stay in cities, though previous generations said that, too, before marriage and children.

“With tuition and student loan debts, young people can’t afford a car,” says John B. Townsend II, longtime spokesman for the AAA Mid-Atlantic. Plus, there’s the sky-high cost of car insurance, an average of $1,800 a year in the Washington area and $1,100 nationwide.

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(Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
But McAlinden is confident they will return to the auto fold. “It’s completely un-American not to like motor vehicles,” he says, and he is both joking and not joking.

Or maybe what it means to be American has simply changed.

“Digital enticements are displacing the pleasures of driving,” says Matt Crawford, a political philosopher at the University of Virginia’s Institute for Advanced Studies in Culture who also fabricates components for custom motorcycles. “So that whole sense of getting in the car and finding out what’s beyond the next town is less powerful.”

Crawford, 49, fell in love with cars back when drivers often had to deal with mechanical problems. His first few cars were “real beaters” that broke down frequently, requiring him to bang on a stranger’s door and beg for help. “You’d end up interacting with people you wouldn’t otherwise meet,” he says. And knowing your car paid dividends. Braking was a skill. Parking did not involve cameras or computers.

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Now, he says, “cars have become virtual reality boxes,” infantilizing the driver. BMW even pipes phony engine noises through its cars’ sound systems to make drivers feel like they’re in charge of a machine that mostly runs itself. Driving these days, Crawford writes, “would seem to promote a kind of regression — back into the womb.”

Maybe car culture is waning, he suggests, because “parents are less authoritarian and want to be your friend.” In other words, the need to rebel isn’t what it used to be.

Gearheads gone gray

Through the 30 years he spent as an Oldsmobile dealer, Steve Moskowitz saw this coming. “In my early days, I saw how romantic the idea of buying a car was,” recalls Moskowitz, 67, now executive director of the Antique Automobile Club of America. For many years, people dressed up to visit the showroom. But in later years, “people were looking for dependability and value and weren’t concerned with looks and romance.”

Unsurprisingly, the nation’s car museums and auto clubs now struggle to attract a younger audience. “We’re trying to figure out what we can present that people can’t get from a Web site,” says Terry Ernest, president of the National Association of Automobile Museums and director of the Wills Sainte Claire Museum of Classic Autos in Marysville, Mich. “Certainly, some museums are going to fail.”

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(Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
Cars are just one more aspect of life hit hard by the digital culture’s corrosion of local ties. Retail shopping, the news business and politics have taken on a more national character because the Internet lets people connect along interest lines rather than by geography. In that way, car culture is losing its local structure — the clubs, museums and meets that brought people together.

The thriving platforms for younger car buffs tend to be virtual — the Jalopnik blog (slogan: “Drive Free or Die”), or autoextremist.com. But perhaps the most visible sign of car culture these days is on cable TV’s Velocity channel, which runs reality shows about restoring, collecting and selling cars, all aimed at “men in their mid to high 40s and above,” says its general manager, Bob Scanlon.

There is a younger audience for shows about designing and building cars, “and there’s a direct correlation between the number of tattoos on the builder’s arms and the youth of the audience,” he says with a wink. He adds that the channel is “not in a position to develop the next generation” of car buffs.

If the audience is graying, Scanlon says, blame Detroit, which shifted from the fanciful fins and muscle cars of the ’50s and ’60s to a focus on reliability. Americans still love to tinker, and father-son bonds over mechanics can still pack an emotional wallop, but “cars don’t seem to resonate in scripted entertainment like they once did,” Scanlon says.

Scanlon, 63, grew up in a car family; his father was a mechanical engineer, and father and son tinkered together. One of Scanlon’s adult sons has followed him into car TV, as a manager on “Overhaulin’,” a car-customizing show. His other son also is a tinkerer — the new kind: He runs a video-gaming site.

A popular-culture heyday

A century ago, a good way to reach the bestseller list was to publish books featuring boys and girls having adventures with cars. From “The Motor Boys” and “The Motor Maids” through the iconic Hollywood hits of the ’50s through the ’80s, the car was every bit as important to the great American dream machine as the best-known writers and actors.

Cruising and drag racing were the real stars of “American Graffiti” (1973). Chases inspired car love among viewers of “Thunder Road” (1958), “Smokey and the Bandit” (1977) and “The Cannonball Run” (1981). On Hot Rod magazine’s list of the 40 greatest car movies of all time, only two were made in this century. The car’s heyday in pop culture featured the Beach Boys and their little old lady from Pasadena and their little deuce coupe; James Bond’s omnipotent sportsters; Steve McQueen’s legendary chase through the streets of San Francisco in “Bullitt”; Herbie the Love Bug; and on into the ’70s and ’80s with Springsteen’s “Pink Cadillac” and Prince’s “Little Red Corvette.”

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(Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
Cars had their own TV shows — “Knight Rider,” “The Dukes of Hazzard,” and for one season, in 1965, “My Mother the Car,” a sitcom in which a 1928 Porter turns out to be the reincarnation of its owner’s mother. Really.

George Barris built the Porter (a made-up make) out of an old Ford Model T. He put a stunt man on the floor of the car to drive it using mirrors so the vehicle would appear to be driven by the invisible mother. Barris, 98 and still customizing cars, also built the Batmobile, the family hearse on “The Munsters,” the rickety jalopy on “The Beverly Hillbillies,”General Lee” on “The Dukes of Hazzard,” and the red Torino on “Starsky and Hutch.”

“You had to design the car to be one of the stars of the show,” Barris says. He also customized cars for celebrities such as Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, and Sonny and Cher. But over the past two decades, he says: “The interest in cars seemed to slip out of the industry. The car isn’t how the stars express their personality. John Wayne told me he wanted to just slide in, not climb into his motorcar. So Pontiac sent me a wagon, I raised the roof six inches and lowered the floor four inches, and he just slid in.

“You don’t get calls like that anymore. Can you even think of a TV show now that has cars doing things or being fun characters? For most people now, it’s just transportation.”

Once magical, now mundane

The argument over whether the nation is reaching Peak Car — the point after which permanent decline sets in — will continue for years, but it’s already clear that the quality of Americans’ relationship with cars has shifted.

The spirit isn’t gone — check out one of Chrysler’s elegiac adsappealing to patriotism and nostalgia to stir love of Detroit’s signature industry — but a utilitarian attitude is becoming more pervasive. Symbols of the car’s central role in American life are fading. Fast-food chains are building fewer drive-through windows; schools are offering fewer drivers’ education classes. Automakers are studying how to make money in a time of car-sharing, driverless vehicles and a growing aversion to owning stuff.

Ford’s resident futurist, Sheryl Connelly, points to data showing that millennials often like to rent rather than buy products. Ford research finds that 74 percent of adults try to use their time in motion “to accomplish something else.” So the automaker is dreaming up vehicles that let users do something — anything! — in a state of “global gridlock,” chief executive Bill Ford’s term for a world in which more than half of people live in megacities.

The return of young people to city centers brings a permanent pivot in how people think about getting around, says Gabe Klein, a Zipcar founder who went on to run the city transportation departments in Chicago and Washington.

Klein, 44, says cars have become a burden, a symbol of a model of living gone sour. “We were sold a bill of goods by the government,” he says, “by real estate developers who wanted to sell tract housing far from the city, by car companies who sold us this new lifestyle of living in the suburbs and commuting in.”


That suburban model is not something to rebuild from the ravages of recession, but rather a lifestyle that technology will let Americans discard, Klein argues. “Car culture is really a brief 50- or 60-year blip in history,” he says.

Klein has become an evangelist for a future that sounds utopian to some, nightmarish to others. It’s a vision in which pods of driverless, on-demand cars roam city streets, ready to pick you up for half of what Uber charges. It’s a future with less traffic and far less parking. And little need for car ownership.

For city dwellers, a hassle

At 22, fresh out of college, Regina Catipon finds herself a commuter, traveling on weekdays from her parents’ place in Shady Grove to her downtown Washington office. It’s a 90-minute trek each way — a bus, a train, a walk.

She has no car, no license, no immediate intention of getting either. Her sister, who is 26, has no license either (not for lack of trying; she’s failed the test five times). Her brother was 22 when he finally got his.


Living at the far reaches of a Metro line, Catipon realizes that a car would make life easier, but it’s just not a priority. If her bus is delayed or doesn’t show up, she summons Uber or Lyft, or texts friends to catch a ride.

Catipon isn’t averse to cars, though she did delay learning to drive after a good friend in high school was hit by a car at 16 and died from head injuries. Despite that trauma, “I actually love cars,” Catipon says. She’s a fan of “Top Gear,” the British TV show about car buffs, and she has always wanted a motorcycle. For a time, she was into a guy who rally-raced a Subaru.

But her social life mostly takes place in the city, where parking and traffic make cars a hassle. And both Catipon and her boyfriend have big student loan debts, “so it seems almost irresponsible to take out a car loan when we’re either looking for work or getting established,” she says.

At the University of Maryland, where Catipon was a journalism major, one of her professors was appalled to learn that a majority of students in her class didn’t drive. How would they go out and cover a story without wheels? “You’re not going to be employable,” the teacher warned.

“But I have a job,” counters Catipon, who works at a small journalism start-up, though her position doesn’t require her to leave the office.

For now, her plan is to find a way to move into the city, in part to reduce the need for a car. Rebellion plays little role in her thinking about cars. “People talk about the open road,” she says, “but in my experience, the road is tolls and traffic cameras.”
 
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Thanks for the good read. These articles and viewpoints have been growing the past few years but in my opinion its painting an inaccurate picture. Personally I've never seen more meets/shows, events in my life all over the states, most of it due to the internet and social media bringing people together. Never in my mind has it crossed that car enthusiasts are dying. Even when gas prices were the highest ever, I would see enthusiasts do what it takes to modify their cars and go to events.

Yes there are some youth that have no interest in cars, and the two-edged sword is social media making it easier for people to connect. So instead of getting out the house, they stay in it.

However I've never felt more strongly that enthusiasm for the car is better than ever and this site is evidence of it! We are growing in just a few short months with big plans coming!
 

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I didn't read the entire article, but when it comes to the percentages population with drivers license - do they account for both men and women? Because I'm pretty sure that back in the days women rarely drove.
 

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Thanks for the good read. These articles and viewpoints have been growing the past few years but in my opinion its painting an inaccurate picture. Personally I've never seen more meets/shows, events in my life all over the states, most of it due to the internet and social media bringing people together. Never in my mind has it crossed that car enthusiasts are dying. Even when gas prices were the highest ever, I would see enthusiasts do what it takes to modify their cars and go to events.

Yes there are some youth that have no interest in cars, and the two-edged sword is social media making it easier for people to connect. So instead of getting out the house, they stay in it.

However I've never felt more strongly that enthusiasm for the car is better than ever and this site is evidence of it! We are growing in just a few short months with big plans coming!

I too feel that car culture is not fading by any means, in fact its only growing and not just in America. Maybe people are starting to drive later in life, but there is no shortage of enthusiasts. I also see very few clunkers compared to the 90ies when I came to USA - most people now are driving cars that are at least adequate, and I see a lot more premium cars, which means that people appreciate their cars a lot more.

And since the article touched on social media, then why not mention virtual reality as well? Today we have all the racing games and racing simulators that are very popular, and with certain racing simulators you can actually learn racing skills that you can apply in real life on a race track.
 

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A great article! I have a rather controversial, complex view on this matter that would quickly go off-topic. Those who wish to discuss it can message me.

With that said, I agree with Och and Lexfather. I'd specifically like to add to Lexfather's double edged sword point; I feel that two extremes are emerging here; the young generation millenials who have zero interest in cars/don't want to drive, and the other side/extreme of serious enthusiasts becoming more connected to each other through technology. So we have one group of people who are arguably more anti-social due to technology, and another group who arguably still remain quite social, thanks to technology.
 

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A great article! I have a rather controversial, complex view on this matter that would quickly go off-topic. Those who wish to discuss it can message me.

With that said, I agree with Och and Lexfather. I'd specifically like to add to Lexfather's double edged sword point; I feel that two extremes are emerging here; the young generation millenials who have zero interest in cars/don't want to drive, and the other side/extreme of serious enthusiasts becoming more connected to each other through technology. So we have one group of people who are arguably more anti-social due to technology, and another group who arguably still remain quite social, thanks to technology.

With regards to social media and technology, it also made it possible for independent reviewers to see the light of day. There are several youtube shows that I regularly watch that are ran by guys that have started with nothing but a gopro camera and basic set of video editing skills - and some of these shows, in my opinion, easily outdo the now discontinued Top Gear. This type exposure was not possible in the old days to people who didn't have a lot of money to invest.
 

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With regards to social media and technology, it also made it possible for independent reviewers to see the light of day. There are several youtube shows that I regularly watch on youtube that are ran by guys that have started with nothing but a gopro camera and basic set of video editing skills - and some of these shows in my opinion easily outdo the now discontinues Top Gear. This type exposure was not possible in the old days to someone who didn't have a lot of money to invest.

Yes, good point. There are several facets to today's technology and social media, both good and bad. It's arguable in terms of whether there is more overall good or bad, but that's another topic of discussion.
I too on occasion watch some Youtube car channels, that have some cool and insightful reviews/previews, far better in my opinion than what the usual auto journalists or auto media outlets put out these days.
 

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Another thing I want to mention is that almost any new car being sold these days is likely to be a pretty good car. Manufacturers can no longer sell utter garbage like GM, Chrysler and Ford were doing less than a decade ago, customers just will not buy bad cars anymore - which means that people have greater love for cars, and manufacturers have greater respect for their customers. Everything's got better - build and material quality, reliability, service, etc.
 

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Thanks for the good read. These articles and viewpoints have been growing the past few years but in my opinion its painting an inaccurate picture. Personally I've never seen more meets/shows, events in my life all over the states, most of it due to the internet and social media bringing people together. Never in my mind has it crossed that car enthusiasts are dying. Even when gas prices were the highest ever, I would see enthusiasts do what it takes to modify their cars and go to events.

Yes there are some youth that have no interest in cars, and the two-edged sword is social media making it easier for people to connect. So instead of getting out the house, they stay in it.

However I've never felt more strongly that enthusiasm for the car is better than ever and this site is evidence of it! We are growing in just a few short months with big plans coming!

I think what seems to be happening is a combination of both sides......those who always liked cars (like you and me, and many of us on car forums) will always continue to do so, but some of today's youth, who pretty much center their lives around electronic devices, live in a somewhat different world than we did. That's what makes me concerned about the not-very-distant future when we won't even be driving our cars anymore.....THEY will be driving US, on electronic roadways. .
 
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A great article! I have a rather controversial, complex view on this matter that would quickly go off-topic. Those who wish to discuss it can message me.

With that said, I agree with Och and Lexfather. I'd specifically like to add to Lexfather's double edged sword point; I feel that two extremes are emerging here; the young generation millenials who have zero interest in cars/don't want to drive, and the other side/extreme of serious enthusiasts becoming more connected to each other through technology. So we have one group of people who are arguably more anti-social due to technology, and another group who arguably still remain quite social, thanks to technology.

I'd agree on the meeting of both worlds here.....as I replied in my last post.
 
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Another thing I want to mention is that almost any new car being sold these days is likely to be a pretty good car. Manufacturers can no longer sell utter garbage like GM, Chrysler and Ford were doing less than a decade ago, customers just will not buy bad cars anymore - which means that people have greater love for cars, and manufacturers have greater respect for their customers. Everything's got better - build and material quality, reliability, service, etc.

The Big Three weren't the only ones producing relatively unreliable cars ten years ago. The Germans were also doing some pretty unreliable electronics (by today's standards).
 

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The Big Three weren't the only ones producing relatively unreliable cars ten years ago. The Germans were also doing some pretty unreliable electronics (by today's standards).

Yes, I know - but the big three made cars using exotic materials such as compressed rust for the body panels, and recycled detergent containers for interior trim. :D
 

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Yes, I know - but the big three made cars using exotic materials such as compressed rust for the body panels, and recycled detergent containers for interior trim. :D

Lol, that was a good joke ;).
 

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Yes, I know - but the big three made cars using exotic materials such as compressed rust for the body panels, and recycled detergent containers for interior trim. :D


Yes, some nice humor, but, in actuality, for decades, Japanese-designed vehicles were the ones rusting out their body panels, not the American ones, although that problem was generally solved by the end of the 1980s and early 1990s. Otherwise though, yes, as you infer, except for large pickups, which generally ruled their class, and the success of Saturn in the 1990s, Detroit-sourced vehicles, from the 1970s to right around the time of the buyouts/reorganiation of 2008-2009, were a laughingstock of interior and assembly-quality. I've only owned one American-sourced vehicle from the early 1980s till the present...a 1999 Saturn SL-2, which I liked because of its design-innovations and customer-service, not interior trim. I don't really consider my Verano an American-sourced car, since it is an Opel Astra with a GM drivetrain. The rest of it, except for the Buick sound-deadeners, is pure Astra.
 

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Yes, some nice humor, but, in actuality, for decades, Japanese-designed vehicles were the ones rusting out their body panels, not the American ones, although that problem was generally solved by the end of the 1980s and early 1990s. Otherwise though, yes, as you infer, except for large pickups, which generally ruled their class, and the success of Saturn in the 1990s, Detroit-sourced vehicles, from the 1970s to right around the time of the buyouts/reorganiation of 2008-2009, were a laughingstock of interior and assembly-quality. I've only owned one American-sourced vehicle from the early 1980s till the present...a 1999 Saturn SL-2, which I liked because of its design-innovations and customer-service, not interior trim. I don't really consider my Verano an American-sourced car, since it is an Opel Astra with a GM drivetrain. The rest of it, except for the Buick sound-deadeners, is pure Astra.

Actually both older American and Japanese cars rusted, its just that Japanese cars had body panels made out of thin sheet metal while American cars had body panels made out of very thick layers of compressed rust - so sometimes they look a bit longer to deteriorate. :D

Either case, all jokes aside, cars nowadays got much better. Even new Ladas are passable. And once again, I think people love their cars more than ever today, and not willing to buy/drive a bad car.
 
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Car culture isn't graying like The Washington Post says
Kids These Days Don't Like Cars? We Think Not

Consider this your annual reminder that commuter culture is not the same thing as car culture – and a reminder some aren't aware of the difference. On Wednesday, The Washington Post published a story titled, Cruising toward oblivion: America's once magical – now mundane – love affair with cars. It's like there's one of these pieces every year.

Author Marc Fisher, a senior editor according to his bio, talks to a lot of people about how car culture isn't what it used to be and how kids these days aren't interested in cars. These people tend to be 55 or older, Baby Boomers who are old enough to remember the days before unleaded gas.

In every generation, there has been a large amount of people – probably the majority – who view cars as mere transportation, or "mundane" in Fisher's words. What's different now, however, is that there are more alternatives for those who aren't interested in cars for anything more than getting from A to B.

Just because you don't own a car doesn't mean you can't appreciate one.

Fisher does use solid statistics to show young people, with their first real jobs and grown-up pants, are not as car-dependent as they used to be. Yes, more young people live in cities where there are alternatives to car ownership, where they don't need to be burdened with that, the Zipcar founder quoted in the Post story says. But just because you don't own a car doesn't mean you can't appreciate one. Ask the 10-year-old with the Lamborghini Aventador poster.

Sure, fewer teens are dragging their parents to the DMV to get their driver's licenses. You could blame far higher fuel prices, insurance rates, and more severe driving restrictions. Those teens who want to drive, however, still find a way.

People of all ages can still look at cars as pieces of art, with exhibits like a recent Bugatti display at the Mullin Automotive Museum. Cars can be amazing pieces of design, spectacular feats of engineering, or simply appreciated because of what they represent to a group of people.

The act of spending your weekend under your '60s American muscle car with a set of tools at your side, covered in various vehicle fluids, might be graying. If that's what Fisher was getting to, we can understand. But the love of cars isn't fading away in favor of social media, as he asserts. People with Teslas gather in parking lots, or by charging stations, and talk about their cars in the same way Apple Watch owners gather and talk about their fascination.

In 30 years' time, the kids from today might be reminiscing in a parking lot about the Dodge Neon they had in high school, or the Ford Escape that was their first new car. Or the BMW i8 they had a poster of in their room growing up.

Car culture may not equal a group of men in their F-Bodies or Mustangs gathering at a drive-in, but it now includes the men and women in their Saab Turbos, or those in their BMW-era Minis, or that group of Tesla drivers. Changing car culture doesn't necessarily mean a diminishing one.

And if it's becoming more diverse and inclusive, it's probably changing for the better.

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I didn't totally agree with the article myself. Just because I posted it didn't meant I wrote it or endorsed it. I thought it was a good topic for discussion...both pro and con. There are several issues I think the article doesn't address well enough.....things like the injury/death rate from drag-racing/aggressive driving in those old cars, how much nicer to drive on and less-congested roads and scenery were back then, how much easier cars were to work on.......things like that.
 

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I didn't totally agree with the article myself. Just because I posted it didn't meant I wrote it or endorsed it. I thought it was a good topic for discussion...both pro and con. There are several issues I think the article doesn't address well enough.....things like the injury/death rate from drag-racing/aggressive driving in those old cars, how much nicer to drive on and less-congested roads and scenery were back then, how much easier cars were to work on.......things like that.

Again, thats a double edged sword as well. Older cars are certainly easier to work on, but they require you to work on them a lot more often.

Roads were less congested, but infrastructure wasn't as developed either, so heading for a roadtrip to a remote place you had better stock up on gas canisters, spare tire, food, etc. Today, you just grab your cel phone and credit cards and go pretty much anywhere without worry.
 

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Again, thats a double edged sword as well. Older cars are certainly easier to work on, but they require you to work on them a lot more often.

Roads were less congested, but infrastructure wasn't as developed either, so heading for a roadtrip to a remote place you had better stock up on gas canisters, spare tire, food, etc. Today, you just grab your cel phone and credit cards and go pretty much anywhere without worry.


Agreed on the reliability issue. One thing that was a constant source of trouble were the drum brakes on those old Chrysler products. Carburetors and breaker-point ignition systems were also a PITA.......major tune-ups were needed, on the average, every 5000-10,000 miles.