lexus vs crown
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It just feels like Toyota is trying to elevate Toyota and Lexus hasn’t gotten the same investment to elevate higher. So yeah things get muddied. My son said the Crown Limited I had from the press fleet has been his favorite press car. I think i got more compliments on it short of my LC which was weird to me. My sister bought one last year. Crown and Century are legendary names. But we never got the cool plug in hybrid sedan.
I mean the Crown has a full digital screen the RX and Nx don’t have. little things like that.
The good news is so far Lexus sales haven’t been hurt so it must be Avalon customers and other premium brand customers giving it a shot. In addition with the politically charged times we could see a shift to people skipping high end badges for toned down ones, especially if our economy takes a hit. The Crown then will be perfect for the times.
I mean the Crown has a full digital screen the RX and Nx don’t have. little things like that.
The good news is so far Lexus sales haven’t been hurt so it must be Avalon customers and other premium brand customers giving it a shot. In addition with the politically charged times we could see a shift to people skipping high end badges for toned down ones, especially if our economy takes a hit. The Crown then will be perfect for the times.
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This is the vibe for sure im seeing aswell. I dont quite understand it at this point, especially for the North American market but you raise a a great point. I just wonder with how many premium offerings can come from one source. You have a general brand a sub Luxury brand , a Luxury Brand, a Ultra Luxury brand with Century which is actually above Lexus its all quite an interesting thing. The investment money is certainly flowing thats for sure!
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I wish we got this or the Mirai in GA
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It makes me so angry knowing that this was the 5GS...
gimme the story
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That looks dope
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For the culture you have to come out on that one sir!! Explain!!
So is it possible that this sudden focus on building a lineup of Crown models is actually an infinite IQ move by Toyota? It's not like Toyota hasn't done a big brain move before, the Prius and all the hybrid models that have popped up since then are one of the best examples.
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The current Mirai was going to be the Toyota version of the next Lexus GS, much like how the ES and Avalon used to be twins. Toyota killed the GS but kept the Mirai, and the non-FCEV version is the Crown sedan.
10 years ago you had more powertrain choices with this car
- 2.0 i4 turbo (8ar-fts)
- 2.5 i4 N/A (2ar-fse)
- 2.5 i4 hybrid (2ar-fxe)
- 2.5 v6 (4gr-fse)
- 3.5 v6 (2gr-fe)
- 3.5 v6 hybrid (2gr-fxe)
Now you only get a 2.5 i4 hybrid and this doesn't even replace the regular crown which was available with a 3.5 v6 n/a but rather the majesta which got a v8 until a decade ago when they replaced it with the v6 hybrid (kept the same horsepower as the v8 but lots more torque). Now you get this nerfed 2.5 i4 making 240 hp and although it is very smooth but it is pretty slow and whinny so sedans have suffered across the board not only at lexus but at toyota too that is the only consistency they both have right now anyway. Hopefully when they replace the tdf engines with the new i4 engines they use the 2.0 rather than the 1.5 turbo to drive this behemoth.
What i don't get is the sedan is already produced in very limited numbers wouldn't it have made sense to utilize the 3.5 phev system in this car considering they can't make a whole lot pf those anyway
Oh and customers have made the following points compared to previous gen the sound system has been downgraded the interior felt more premium on previous gen and the car is too damn heavy although suspension is one of the best although japs maybe biased but they liked it better than merc and bmw cause it has adopted bit old school approach of magic carpet rather than a stiff spoets car which was complaint with previous gen. But yes cost cutting has also been consistent across the board so it would be pretty interesting to see if they are decide to make it a global product how the market responds
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What he said. ^^
Here's a reminder the Crown sedan weighs 2.1 ton (just 70kg lighter than base LS500), has 250PS, does 0-100km/h in 8.6s, smaller trunk than the IS, and only has enough rear headroom for passengers less than 1.7m (5ft 7in) tall. It is NOT something you would go out of your way to buy.
How they managed to engineer such a piece of garbage is anyone's guess.
Toyota making cars with terrible packaging and still having crash safety scandals really reduced my confidence in their engineering competence.
How they managed to engineer such a piece of garbage is anyone's guess.
Toyota making cars with terrible packaging and still having crash safety scandals really reduced my confidence in their engineering competence.
Funnily enough the safety scandal surrounding previous gen crown was the overdid it they tested the car by crashing a heavier vehicle into it than required and you would people would be impressed but not the Japanese authority
As for the lack of headroom that is due to packaging for fcev which they could have made a bit more effort to improve in hev at least