Discussion in 'Lexus Lounge' started by krew, Oct 3, 2017.
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The RX alone outsold the entire sedan lineup for the month.
It's astounding how well the GX is selling despite its age and, quite frankly, how ugly it is. This should be a clear reason for Lexus to dump GS R&D costs into making that the damn good SUV it deserves to be.
Bingo. The fact that it's selling so well even now coming up on it's 4th model year post-refresh is crazy. Crazy.
It's easy to overlook Utes like the GX and 4Runner in a market like this: they're old, outdated and not particularly great looking... but they are extremely well built and that still appeals to a lot of people.
I personally hope Lexus has some type of plan to refresh it soon. A minor interior/exterior refresh and an updated powertrain would keep it going for another 2 years, but to your point, I hope that Lexus is looking at how to build a kick ass three row CUV on GA-L. They'd sell them like crazy.
I think the GX and 4Runner are saved by the market...I also thought the 4Runner was a bit ugly when it was refreshed but for some reason, I want one. Yeah, these two have a lot of potential if they do a refresh soon.
What plans to bring in a suv based on the new LS? Is there room for this or will it just reduce sales of the LX?
When you view the new big BMW suv it makes you wonder will we all be driving aSuv in future?
I really hope the continued success of the SUVs is incentive for Lexus to make amazing and thoroughly-new successors to the GX and LX - and soon!
LX starts at $90k already... i am sure they will price it up to $120k in the future, but start should be similar... currently it is outselling LS.
Having the LS and LX both this year I cannot believe I am saying this but I much prefer the LX. I get why these things are selling. I lose out a bit on acceleration but nothing crazy since I'm not racing the car. I get the same interior features and comfort. Ride is nearly as good if not better for these crappy roads. I have space for 8 or for packing stuff.
Now the new LS obviously changes things up since its all new but some of the LX basics (ride height, space, cooler, 8 seat capacity) is something the LS will never match.
My wife went from her GS F-Sport to RX F-Sport and she loved her GS but she said she will never go back. She prefers the higher ride height and the cargo capacity to the GS. The new RX interior is damn near on par with the GS and it has the same if not more features for LESS or the same price.
I don't think sedans will ever come back. This is not a trend, this is the new way.
It's a beauty compared to a disaster known as Land Cruiser Prado for which they same money as for Lexus reskin. I'm too lazy to find a base interior pic but it's real bad.
Updated the original post with US competitor numbers and September sales from Canada.
As some have commented, my reaction is "awe" for the GX. 3000+ units is incredible for such an old-school design, and so-so tech, interior space, and dismal fuel efficiency. It goes to show it (and 4Runner) essentially have the monopoly in a crowd of unibody car-based "SUVs".
Here's Automotive News commentary on the U.S. luxury car sales race for the month and the year so far, with highlights bolded:
Yes, the GX needs to be done right by Lexus. It's amazing how the GS and GX have reversed fortunes (and to a lesser extend, the LS and LX).
Anyone hear any inklings of what Lexus is planning with the next-gen SUVs?
The question is, should Lexus build the next GX as a standalone unibody SUV or a Prado/4Runner-based offroader? Do people actually cross-shop them against X5/GLE/RR Sport/Cayenne? Or do they want a premium offroader and find the GX to be the only option?
The RX was never a true competitor against the real premium SUVs. It soundly beats any SUV in its league but cannot punch above its weight. If Lexus do want to go head-to-head against the Europeans the GX needs to be a standalone design. Prado is a family-friendly offroader with some comfort at an affordable price, but it won't be sufficient as a base for a proper premium SUV that doesn't care much about utility.
GX only sells well in the US, so they have to figure out how to make it better for rest of the world.
RX has managed to raise its average price, it now sells at around $60k while GX is at $70k... while X5 averages at around $65k.
So thats really not a problem for Lexus... they need UX, RX-L and another in between vehicle that opens up another market for them - something like X6/GLE Coupe.
The GX isn't sold in that many places as a Lexus (probably China or Russia are the other big markets where it is a Lexus and not an LCP). Really, most of the world knows it as a Toyota.
sure it is, it is sold everywhere where LX is sold... and LX outsells it everywhere but in the USA. Hence my comment.
Lexus barely sells any GX in China. The locally produced FAW-LCP is very popular and is actually a superior vehicle in power, comfort, and affordability. Anyone who wants a luxury offroader goes for the LX. Probably the same happens in Russia and Middle East.
their problem is likely that people can get LC200 V8 at prices of GX, or something to the tune of that... so they either buy LC200 or LX or Prado.
How can Prado be superior to GX though? It starts as basic offroader, so pricing is better but other things not so much.
The FAW-LC200 is being phased out because there is not enough demand to justify local production; the displacement tax is simply too harsh for it. As a result FAW equips the top trim LCP with a lot of amenities and offroad equipment to fill the spot previously occupied by the 4.0/4.6 LC200. The China-only LCP gets RX350's updated V6 with 300hp and an eight-speed which makes it more powerful than the GX400 (GX460 is not sold). It gets TSS+ as well while the GX400 does not have LSS yet.
A top-trim LCP pretty much kills any offroader in its league just like GX460 in the U.S.