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They've pulled back the headlights. I like it.
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EDIT: I am sort of getting... GS vibes. Look at the 3/4 profile of the headlight with the front bumper. Reminds me of the GS F. Also the headlight design is going the LS+ route a bit.
 
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I am extremely excited to see what this thing is gonna look like if it, (finger crossed) is shown off next year. Then again, aren't we supposed to get a new level 2 autonomous highway system in the LS sometime this year? If so, then wouldn't it make more sense for this mid-cycle refresh LS to debut this year for the 2021 model year? If the refreshed LS is shown off this year, it will probably be the biggest and most extensive mid-cycle refresh any Lexus model has ever gotten. Think about it, if everything we've heard is true, then the updated LS will get new exterior looks, most likely get the same infotainment system in the 2020 RX, (or an even better system 😀), it would get that new 2.4l turbo, the return of the 600h with a v8! level 2 autonomy on the highway, and probably new exterior/interior colors. Hey, who knows, maybe even an LS F. 😏 I recall an article from 2017 published by Autoevolution, that detailed how their photographers had caught Lexus testing a black LS somewhere in southern Europe. The car looked exactly like a normal LS, the only difference being that it had a lip spoiler and that it sounded, "very loud for a Lexus." This doesn't at all prove that there is an LS F coming, but even if that car testing was the 600h, I find it unlikely that that specific car would have had a loud exhaust note. I expect the 600h to be perhaps the most refined and smooth LS, not exactly loudest. I am not completely sold that Lexus will make an LS F, (especially with no trademark), but the fact that the test car was so loud is certainly some food for thought.
Anyway, despite all these exciting rumors, one thing that really interests me about this mid-cycle refresh LS is what it will look like. The current LS already has Lexus's most up to date design language, and I really want to know where they are gonna go with its styling.
My biggest concern with this upcoming refresh, (if the leaks are true), is for one the fact that the LS will get a 4 cylinder. I am guessing it will not make it to the U.S, but I still fear that it will feel unrefined and unfitting for the car, that it will water down the LS nameplate. My second concern is that the 600h will use an eCVT or the fake 10 speed in the LS500h and LC500h. Lexus can pour as much money into CVT's as much as they want, but they will never be as fun to drive or feel as good as the 10 speed does. My last concern is that the 600h uses the current 5.0l V8. Although a brilliant engine, it feels wrong to put a 10+ year-old V8 that is about to be replaced in your flagship car, which will at minimum use the engine for another 3 years.
I have probably rambled on too long and wasted a few minutes to many talking about info that hasn't even been confirmed.

Here is that Autoevolution article:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2019-lexus-ls-f-spotted-could-pack-twin-turbo-v8-119605.html#
 

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The face-lift is real !!
coming next year? all I can tell from the photo is a new headlights and new lower front bumper ?
https://mag-x.jp/2020/04/23/13664/
I ran that MagX article through Google Translate, and it does touch upon some of what @Sebass mentions in his post.

...aren't we supposed to get a new level 2 autonomous highway system in the LS sometime this year? If so, then wouldn't it make more sense for this mid-cycle refresh LS to debut this year for the 2021 model year?
From the MagX article via Google Translate: "(A)n autonomous driving demonstration, which was sponsored by JMA, was scheduled to be held on July 6th to 12th this year, but it has been postponed due to the recent Corona disaster... Toyota originally planned a ride experience, but this too will be postponed."

If the refreshed LS is shown off this year, it will probably be the biggest and most extensive mid-cycle refresh any Lexus model has ever gotten.
I will respectfully disagree. This looks like a fairly routine facelift/refresh. Notice that there is no camo on the hood, nor beyond the front fenders. This appears to be less extensive than the mid-cycle changes 4LS received for the 2013 model year.

it would get that new 2.4l turbo...My biggest concern with this upcoming refresh, (if the leaks are true), is for one the fact that the LS will get a 4 cylinder. I am guessing it will not make it to the U.S, but I still fear that it will feel unrefined and unfitting for the car, that it will water down the LS nameplate.
Agreed on your concerns and thoughts on a 4-cylinder LS. The translation of the MagX article appears vague on that point, though: "...direct 4 gasoline vehicles, which are not in the competition, will also be lined up for downsizing. It may be aimed to fill the position of the Lexus GS, which disappears from the lineup this summer".

...the return of the 600h with a v8! ...My last concern is that the 600h uses the current 5.0l V8. Although a brilliant engine, it feels wrong to put a 10+ year-old V8 that is about to be replaced in your flagship car, which will at minimum use the engine for another 3 years.
The article does affirm the revival of a V8 hybrid LS 600h, but it's an open question whether it would simply bring back the 2UR-FSE 5-liter V8 hybrid powertrain from 4LS Hybrid and current Toyota Century (an engine dating to 2006) or utilize a rumored new Dynamic Force V8.
 

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What if they hybridized the 3.5 TTV6? That would be close to 500Hp.. remember they are putting that in the new tundra so I’m thinking that will be in the next hybrid.
 

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I ran that MagX article through Google Translate, and it does touch upon some of what @Sebass mentions in his post.


From the MagX article via Google Translate: "(A)n autonomous driving demonstration, which was sponsored by JMA, was scheduled to be held on July 6th to 12th this year, but it has been postponed due to the recent Corona disaster... Toyota originally planned a ride experience, but this too will be postponed."


I will respectfully disagree. This looks like a fairly routine facelift/refresh. Notice that there is no camo on the hood, nor beyond the front fenders. This appears to be less extensive than the mid-cycle changes 4LS received for the 2013 model year.


Agreed on your concerns and thoughts on a 4-cylinder LS. The translation of the MagX article appears vague on that point, though: "...direct 4 gasoline vehicles, which are not in the competition, will also be lined up for downsizing. It may be aimed to fill the position of the Lexus GS, which disappears from the lineup this summer".


The article does affirm the revival of a V8 hybrid LS 600h, but it's an open question whether it would simply bring back the 2UR-FSE 5-liter V8 hybrid powertrain from 4LS Hybrid and current Toyota Century (an engine dating to 2006) or utilize a rumored new Dynamic Force V8.
Thank you for clarifying my questions. The reason I said that this LS refresh would be the biggest refresh any Lexus has ever gotten, wasn't really because of the looks, but because of the new powertrains and the autonomous driving technology. (Come to think of it, many lexus models get new/revised powertrains after mid cycle refreshes.) If the refresh does bring level 2 autonomy to the LS, it would be quite a big deal and all jounalsists would be comparing it to Super Cruise or Tesla's autopilot.
As for the 4 cylinder, your explenation of why they may do this makes sense, but I think it is a mistake. Can you imagine if they put a 4 banger in the LC? 😭
It really sucks that the driving event for the new level 2 highway autonomy system, (which may have also been the driving experience for the refreshed LS), has been canceled due to the Coronavirus shutdown. I get a bad feeling that Lexus may unfortunately show nothing new this year. 😥. I really hope I'm wrong.
 
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Thank you for clarifying my questions. The reason I said that this LS refresh would be the biggest refresh any Lexus has ever gotten, wasn't really because of the looks, but because of the new powertrains and the autonomous driving technology. (Come to think of it, many lexus models get new/revised powertrains after mid cycle refreshes.) If the refresh does bring level 2 autonomy to the LS, it would be quite a big deal and all jounalsists would be comparing it to Super Cruise or Tesla's autopilot.
As for the 4 cylinder, your explenation of why they may do this makes sense, but I think it is a mistake. Can you imagine if they put a 4 banger in the LC? 😭
It really sucks that the driving event for the new level 2 highway autonomy system, (which may have also been the driving experience for the refreshed LS), has been canceled due to the Coronavirus shutdown. I get a bad feeling that Lexus may unfortunately show nothing new this year. 😥. I really hope I'm wrong.
The LS350 ( not available in the US ) sells more in my country than the 500 & the 500h , its noticeably cheaper , and BMW also offer the 7 Series withe a 2.0 Liter inline four cylinder ( the 730i & 730li ) .
more options for the LS i think its better in my opinion
 
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I don’t understand why the black part is circled.
The way I understand it, in the top picture @TurboLag is pointing out (via red circle) the black quadrilateral "patch" on the front fender next to the driver's door of the white autonomous LS.

In the bottom picture, there's a tear in the white camo in roughly that same area (also signaled via red circle) of the disguised facelift 2021 LS. That implies, to me, that this is some sort of semi-autonomous driving sensor that appears (in reduced form) in the upcoming LS.

At least, that's my best guess.
 

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Side sensor . For the drive assist lane change system ?
Seems likely , also are we sureness this pic is LS and maybe not the new IS sedan ?
Just had to ask
 

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...are we sureness this pic is LS and maybe not the new IS sedan ?
Just had to ask
The passenger compartment (greenhouse) looks identical to the current LS. I don't see the upcoming IS copying it that closely.

Also, please note that I separated discussion threads for the minimal 2020 model year changes to 5LS versus the more significant ones coming for the 5LS midlife refresh.
 

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The Lexus LS sedan is rumoured to get a mid-cycle refresh next year, and now a camouflaged prototype spotted in Japan by Mag-X essentially confirms the fact.
Like most facelifts, the focus is on the lights and bumpers, and the changes seem relatively minor. There is a hint that this LS may be equipped with autonomous tech — from Lexus Enthusiast forum member TurboLag:

Mag-X also suggests a V8 hybrid 600h powertrain will be returning to the LS sedan, though it’s unclear if it would be the previously used 2UR-FSE 5L V8 or a new engine altogether. There’s also a hint of a possible 4-cylinder engine option, though this is unlikely to reach North America regardless.
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I'm not 100% sure because the picture is low quality, but there seems to be a part of the bottom grill that has not mesh, perhaps for another sensor for autonomous driving? New Porsches have their parking sensors in the opening of their grilles.3905
 

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I'm not 100% sure because the picture is low quality, but there seems to be a part of the bottom grill that has not mesh, perhaps for another sensor for autonomous driving? New Porsches have their parking sensors in the opening of their grilles.View attachment 3905
Yep, I definitely see that. I hope whatever it is, whether it be a sensor or something else, that it doesn't look strange or out of place on the final model.
 

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Considering that the LS already has the most up to date design language, I am excited to see what they are going to change on its exterior design. (aside from infotainment and new colors, I bet the interior will stay the same). The only obvious changes we can see are the new autonomous driving sensor right behind the front wheel/underneath the rearview mirrors and the revised headlights, that now have the L shaped LED split into two pieces. The L Led also now goes from underneath the triple beams to over them. The headlights are still partially covered though, so we will need to wait and see.
The rearview mirrors are oddly covered, despite having the exact same shape as the current ones. My guess is that they are hiding more sensors that are on the outside of the mirrors. I also wonder why they have covered up the Lexus logo, seeing as I can't imagine them changing it at all in the future, anyone got any guess for why they covered it?
It's pretty much impossible right now to tell what the rest of the front will look like, but I really hope they give their flagship car an even more unique look from the rest of the lineup. At this point, we don't know what the rear will look like, but I would love to see the taillights change to something more along the lines of the LC taillights:


Even though I already said that the interior would most likely change very little, here is my interior wishlist, that I could easily see being done.

- Physical heated and ventilated seat buttons for the front, that feel premium and expensive but that also aren't placed in some random location.
- Updated infotainment like in the 2020 RX, or maybe even a newer, better system. 😉
- An L model that adds a little bit more legroom in the back but more importantly the front, (I have heard a lot of people complain that the front feels more cramped than the ES). Although this won't fix the current LS's bigger issue of headroom, (that could only be fixed in a next-gen model), it's a start.
- Offering the beautiful Executive package with other interior colors than black, as well as new interior/exterior colors in general.
- (In the Executive Package), put the amazing kiriko glass in more areas of the car and replace the wood trim in most areas, e.g - steering wheel, front and rear center console, on the back of the front seats, in that strange second screen that isn't actually a screen, that sits next to the right of the main screen, and just try to find a way to get it in even more places.
- also, get that hand-pleated cloth into more areas of the interior.
- rip out the current paddle shifters and replace them with the ones in the LC. 😎

That's my mostly realistic refresh wishlist, let me know what things you guys would like to see.
 
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