Lexus LFR/LFA II Megathread

[ssun30]

Don't know why the check engine light is on

 

[DarkSpace6383]

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If this offers a hybrid option theres absolutely hope for this car.

 

[Motor]

 

[Kelvin2020]

New Lexus supercar to bring upgraded V8

The new Toyota and Lexus performance flagships may be powered by different V8s, according to Toyota’s powertrain chief.

www.carexpert.com.au

“When asked if Lexus customers can also expect V8 power in future models, the engineer replied: “You can expect – you see the Lexus new sports car? That is that…,” said Takashi-san, referring to the Sport Concept shown in Tokyo.”

Don’t hype me up, Lexus

 

[Falcon]

The engine won’t need to be a plug-in hybrid to pass emissions regulations around the world – including Australia’s New Vehicle Efficiency Standard (NVES) – like other high-performance models such as the BMW M5 and Lamborghini Temerario.

This is important too.

 

[DarkSpace6383]

New Lexus supercar to bring upgraded V8

The new Toyota and Lexus performance flagships may be powered by different V8s, according to Toyota’s powertrain chief.

www.carexpert.com.au

“When asked if Lexus customers can also expect V8 power in future models, the engineer replied: “You can expect – you see the Lexus new sports car? That is that…,” said Takashi-san, referring to the Sport Concept shown in Tokyo.”

Don’t hype me up, Lexus

Okay so I think it will probably appear in this car. It is meant for multiple powertrains, so there will be both an EV and a V8 option as I had accurately predicted. I think they were also making some nods to the LFA so this will be way above the LC and as a flagship. I want them to have a racing version to succeed the RCF GT3.

 

[ssun30]

So if I understand correctly, the GR GT will use the LC F engine developed 5 years ago and will have to be detuned to pass Euro 7, while this new V8 is essentially two G20 2.0T I4 bolted together?

I really don't know how Toyota will manage to make a 200PS/L engine pass Euro 7 (or maybe they detune it for Europe?). But if they could achieve that, it means we are looking at a 600PS "utility" version and an 800PS "sports" version (2xG20). The BMW S68 is "only" rated for 635PS (144PS/L) on some Lange Rover models.

In general, I feel the rumored specs for Toyota's next-gen ICEs are too good to be true given their conservativeness. The 1.5T makes 180PS - most feasible, but questionable on 92RON regular petrol. The 2.0T has a 300PS "utility" version - I doubt they dare make over 150PS/L on a truck engine. Also a 400PS "performance" version - feasible, but without electric-assisted turbos the responsiveness will be terrible.

 

[NomadDan]

So are we talking about the possibility of two new V8 engines now? If so, maybe one of those will also be used in the Century Coupe and a replacement for the 5.0 in the Century Sedan. The 5.0 in the sedan will need a replacement soon, and surely Toyota will have something better than a hybrid V6 as a replacement. I hope.

 

[DarkSpace6383]

So if I understand correctly, the GR GT will use the LC F engine developed 5 years ago and will have to be detuned to pass Euro 7, while this new V8 is essentially two G20 2.0T I4 bolted together?

I really don't know how Toyota will manage to make a 200PS/L engine pass Euro 7 (or maybe they detune it for Europe?). But if they could achieve that, it means we are looking at a 600PS "utility" version and an 800PS "sports" version (2xG20). The BMW S68 is "only" rated for 635PS (144PS/L) on some Lange Rover models.

In general, I feel the rumored specs for Toyota's next-gen ICEs are too good to be true given their conservativeness. The 1.5T makes 180PS - most feasible, but questionable on 92RON regular petrol. The 2.0T has a 300PS "utility" version - I doubt they dare make over 150PS/L on a truck engine. Also a 400PS "performance" version - feasible, but without electric-assisted turbos the responsiveness will be terrible.

Isn't the GR GT also expected to use a 4L V8?

 

[ssun30]

Isn't the GR GT also expected to use a 4L V8?

That engine can be traced back to 2020 and will already be 6 years old when the GR GT comes out next year. Development on it was finished but then Lexus cancelled every product that was planned to use it (at least 4). Now the output will be reduced from 700+PS to a bit over 600PS to comply with emissions according to current rumors (MagX and BestCar). It was comparable to S63 while the new one will be comparable to S68.

 

[Gor134]

That engine can be traced back to 2020 and will already be 6 years old when the GR GT comes out next year.

Doesn't it date to 2018? at least I thought that's when the first engine mules were publically testing

 

[Gecko]

It is meant for multiple powertrains, so there will be both an EV and a V8 option as I had accurately predicted.

Do we know this for sure -- the Sport Concept is going to accommodate BEV and ICE powertrains?

 

[Kelvin2020]

There is another one in JMS

 

[mediumhot]

Extremely beautiful design execution. Reminds me of a super polished LF-A Concept II that never translated into production LFA for some reason.

 

[DarkSpace6383]

Do we know this for sure -- the Sport Concept is going to accommodate BEV and ICE powertrains?

Yes absolutely. It WILL accommodate both.

 

[Gor134]

Extremely beautiful design execution. Reminds me of a super polished LF-A Concept II that never translated into production LFA for some reason.

I much preferred these two LFA concepts compared to the production LFA, due to the flared fenders.

The production LFA looked really slab sided from the quarter views.


That being said the production LFA did have the best front end. Just wish it kept the flared fenders of the concept.

 

[Kelvin2020]

Yes absolutely. It WILL accommodate both.

The ideal scenario for them will be: LFR (or whatever they call it) gets the twin turbo V8 with a solid state battery powertrain and BEV version, while the GR GT gets the TT V8 only. That would be a win win situation.

Hopefully I’m not just dreaming

 

[blackjack214]

The ideal scenario for them will be: LFR (or whatever they call it) gets the twin turbo V8 with a solid state battery powertrain and BEV version, while the GR GT gets the TT V8 only. That would be a win win situation.

Hopefully I’m not just dreaming

That makes a lot of sense, as Lexus is aiming to be more progressive moving forward. At least thats what they are claiming atm.

 

[NomadDan]

Perhaps we could see two versions of the V8. Weren’t rumors saying the GR-GT3 (or whatever it’s called) has a flat-plane V8? Maybe the Lexus version would use a less performance oriented, but smoother running cross-plane V8, plus electrification.

 

[DarkSpace6383]

Perhaps we could see two versions of the V8. Weren’t rumors saying the GR-GT3 (or whatever it’s called) has a flat-plane V8? Maybe the Lexus version would use a less performance oriented, but smoother running cross-plane V8, plus electrification.

I think the Lexus could offer both, while the GR GT offers the performance-oriented V8 only. Both V8s will be hybridized fs.