Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread (II)

[Levi]

I would love to see Infiniti and Jaguar come back on the market but I am huge sceptic. Sure both of them will have some sort of soft reboot but that would be about it. Honestly I don't even see Lexus as brand that can infuse it's traditional luxury features into new age luxury of BEVs. So far BMW (iX excluded) and Audi are only brands that have managed to adjust or adapt traditional luxury design and features into a cabing of tomorrow. Mercedes went overboard and tacky with EQS cabin which is really your usual tablet on the center and nothing else but on steroids. Volvo is just fancy Tesla inside like many other brands out there that play BEV game. I don't have nothing against central tablets but you need something tactile and well laid out as well in order for a cabin to be considered luxurious. New Range Rover did it right but it doesn't have BEV variant.

If these oldschool luxury badges try to play Tesla game and slap only a screen and a yoke inside their cabin they will straight out loose the race. They need to find the way to transition their panache into new game. Not everything needs to be digital, not everything needs to light up, not everything needs to have iPad graphics and so on. If Jaguar is clever enough they will find the way to put in an analouge speedometer and still make it look cool alongside driver's assistance front screen.

That is way I said traditional luxury cars in the BEV market might disappear and only high-end will exist.

As for Jaguar, it is dead unfortunately. The i-Pace was one of the first "high-end" electric cars to come after Tesla, but the car is just forgotten even if it is not bad. It is still a mystery why Jaguar F-Pace does not sell because of unreliability, but Ranger Rover with the same unreliability does sell.

Anyway, I think there is more to that than reliability, which is just the last rational resort to confirm one's choice, this applies to Toyota/Lexus too in the opposite way.

 

[Gor134]

Range Rover is seen significantly as a status car, and the Evoque is a "lifestyle, fashion status" type of car. That's why the less expressive Discovery and Discovery Sport don't sell well similarly to the Jaguar E Pace and F Pace.

 

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That is way I said traditional luxury cars in the BEV market might disappear and only high-end will exist.

As for Jaguar, it is dead unfortunately. The i-Pace was one of the first "high-end" electric cars to come after Tesla, but the car is just forgotten even if it is not bad. It is still a mystery why Jaguar F-Pace does not sell because of unreliability, but Ranger Rover with the same unreliability does sell.

Anyway, I think there is more to that than reliability, which is just the last rational resort to confirm one's choice, this applies to Toyota/Lexus too in the opposite way.

i-Pace is a strange case really. It was Model Y before Model Y when it comes to shape so Jag was dead on the money. Interior is nothing worse or better than any other EV at the time. Range was right on the par with base Tesla 3, stand still acceleration was even better than Tesla. I really don't know why this flopped. And to make it even worse the used i-Paces still hold the value.

 

[Will1991]

Here is the first known picture (to me) of the future TMC cooling system that will work in a similar concept as Tesla's supper bottle:

 

[LS500-18]

Here is the first known picture (to me) of the future TMC cooling system that will work in a similar concept as Tesla's supper bottle:

Interesting... I hope Toyota also learned the lesson on marketing hype / BS from Tesla. Name everything Giga Super Octo Cyber Mega etc. Suckers eat that stuff up.

Let's try to come up with a hype name for their version of the "Super" bottle.... how about GigaCyberWaterPumps?? It says EWP 1/2/3 so I'm assuming Electric Water Pumps 1, 2, 3.

 

[Will1991]

The technical therm should be around "Cooling module with integrated pumps and valves", not exactly marketable or as cool

 

[White Beach]

The LFA successor on the way, coming in 2025! From The Mid Japan Economist which is known for its TMC insider information.
https://www.chukei-news.co.jp/news/2023/02/07/OK0002302070101_01/

 

[Levi]

So the LC F wasn’t canceled, as the rumors pointed it finally turned into LFR – LFA successor.

But Lexus still has to replace the LC/RC with one model for both (not each).

 

[dylanfoos]

The LC/RC/IS might be getting the same powertrain as the LFR as well... TTV8 PHEV. Something we have heard on a few articles...

 

[JustADude]

We aren't even sure about the IS as yet, I hope this TNGA-A platform is true and we get a new ICE IS. But most likely EV IS will come

 

[dylanfoos]

Video about Toyotas upcoming Operating system they are making, Arene. Guessing we will see this in Lexus as well in 2025.

 

[deafcrump]

I think GX 550 comes with detuned V35A only as GX 460 came with detuned (actually just "FE" with port injection only) and no other engine.

 

[dylanfoos]

Next IS to be EV

Lexus New IS Estimated specs
・Length: 4770mm
・Width: 1850mm
・Height: 1437mm
・Wheelbase: 2850mm ・
Vehicle weight: 1900kg
・Motor: Motor
・Maximum output: 360ps
・Maximum torque: 33kgm
・Transmission: ―
・Estimated price: 7.5 million to 9 million yen (55K-66K)

レクサス 新型ISはEVに!? 初のワゴン追加で2025年に登場か!? - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」

レクサス 新型ISはEVに!? 初のワゴン追加で2025年に登場か!? 2020年にビッグマイナーチェンジをはたしたレクサス IS。一部で予想されたフルモデルチェンジでなかったのは、次期モデルで大きく変更を加えるためと見られている。次期ISはシューティングブレークを追加したBEVで登場する!?

bestcarweb.jp

 

[Levi]

If it looks like Hyundai Ioniq 6 forget it.

 

[Ali Manai]

After the management change ev policy seems a bit too rushed, hybrids are the best of both worlds and it is already evident but toyota is still facing some competition from diesel in Europe, if they crammed in the 2.4l 2gd engine into the camry and es and paired it up with a hybrid i guess it would be an instant success

 

[mikeavelli]

If it looks like Hyundai Ioniq 6 forget it.

I assume most EV’s will adopt some form of a teardrop shape for better cD…..

 

[Levi]

I assume most EV’s will adopt some form of a teardrop shape for better cD…..

The only good looking car with teardrop shape is a Porsche. I'd prefer losing some range in favor of better shape, that is also the point of a sedan over a CUV.

 

[mikeavelli]

The only good looking car with teardrop shape is a Porsche. I'd prefer losing some range in favor of better shape, that is also the point of a sedan over a CUV.

Oh I agree. Im the guy that puts wider wheels and tires on em 🤣. I’ll exchange range and mpg for individuality and better performance.

 

[JustADude]

Well there goes my hope of a V35A in the IS.

 

[Gecko]

A BEV IS coming in 2025 when Lexus just said next-gen EVs will start rolling out in 2026? I think Best Car has some things wrong.

Based on timing, it feels like IS will either skip a year (2025) and show up for 2026, or not necessarily be the "all new BEV" that Best Car is expecting.

IS could...
- Be eTNGA-based for the next generation, with new batteries/tech optimized over RZ (this would coincide with rumors of a 2025 heavy powertrain refresh for the RZ)
- Be TNGA-K based but AWD and all-hybrid with PHEV and BEV powertrains optional (IS 350h, IS 450h+, IS 500h?)
- Share a RWD platform/powertrains with the new Crown sedan (IS XXXh?)
- Be something different?