July 2015 Auto Sales Thread

[mikeavelli]

LX numbers are just embarrassing how, even G wagon is above it lol!! But brighter days ahead with the new LX and LS!!

I don't think the focus is here in America since it sells so well in the Middle East. I do agree it can only go up from here.

 

[mmcartalk]

Other Coupes
Mustang- 8,482
Challenger- 5,151
Camaro-
Corvette-

Hmmm. No Camaro or 'Vette sales in July? Someone must have either lost the figures when this list was compiled, or never had them in the first place. I can't believe none were sold, unless GM had a stop-sale order for safety reasons, which sometimes happens. But they are not usually in effect for a whole month.

Equus-
K900-

I know these two flagships aren't popular, but, again, I suspect someone must have also lost the sales figures. Hard to believe none were sold in July...unless they, too, had stop-sale orders on them.

ZDX- 0

Now.....THAT one, I can believe.

 

[IS-SV]

Hmmm. No Camaro or 'Vette sales in July? Someone must have either lost the figures when this list was compiled, or never had them in the first place. I can't believe none were sold, unless GM had a stop-sale order for safety reasons, which sometimes happens. But they are not usually in effect for a whole month.

Uhhhh, please put down that drink, or whatever device it is, "stop-sales", lol..

Mike has been busy and just hasn't filled in those blanks for Vette and Camaro.

 

[mmcartalk]

Uhhhh, please put down that drink, or whatever device it is, "stop-sales", lol..

Mike has been busy and just hasn't filled in those blanks for Vette and Camaro.

First, I'm a teetotaler, Thank You. I don't drink. That's why I'm sometimes a designated driver.

Second, I was definitely not blaming it on Mike...I know he is thorough. It's possible that the figures just aren't available.

 

[IS-SV]

No, I wasn't blaming it on Mike...I know he is thorough. It's possible that the figures just aren't available.

Oh...and I'm a teetotaler, Thank You. I don't drink. That's why I'm sometimes a designated driver.

Thanks for letting us know, because after that last post about "stop-sales" of Vette & Camaro it was worth checking...

Note: post #3 has links to GM data if you need to see Camaro and Vette sales.

 

[mmcartalk]

Thanks for letting us know, because after that last post about "stop-sales" of Vette & Camaro it was worth checking...

They do sometimes happen, but rarely of that magnitude....I made that clear. So, I'm going to drop the issue.

 

[IS-SV]

They do sometimes happen, but rarely of that magnitude....I made that clear. So, I'm going to drop the issue.

"First"(), Good idea, (before piling more on)..

"Second"(). What issue? I gave answer.

Please see what I wrote regarding post number 3, in order to be helpful. The data was and is available there if you need it.

 

[CIF]

Impressive Lexus sales, despite some temporary dips for some of the car models. I wasn't expecting Lexus to have the sales lead for the month.

Also solid Toyota sales as well.

The X5 bland styling must be attracting more casual customers. I don't expect such numbers to last long-term though.

Rav4 sales continue to be very impressive. Such a great vehicle. I'm also very impressed with 4Runner sales as well.

MDX and RDX sales continue to puzzle me a bit. I wonder who's buying these things? Probably Honda/Acura faithful.

 

[mmcartalk]

Rav4 sales continue to be very impressive. Such a great vehicle.

The RAV-4's popularity has been way up there since Day One when it was introduced into the American market in 1996, and has never really let up much, despite the addition of MANY competitors.

MDX and RDX sales continue to puzzle me a bit. I wonder who's buying these things? Probably Honda/Acura faithful.

The 2Gen RDX was purposefully designed to make it more refined, less hard-edged, and more appealing to potential buyers. The 1Gen model was essentially a firm-riding semi-sports machine, with a somewhat (for Honda) unrefined turbo-four, whose torque basically came on and off like a light switch (I test-drove one). That was Honda/Acura's first attempt at an American-market turbo four, and they didn't get some things about it correct. It was replaced with both softer underpinnings and a more refined V6 on the 2Gen model.

 

[CIF]

Correct with the Rav4. However the Rav4 in North America has never been this popular, until this most recent generation. Even now, sales are still production-limited from what I've heard. Toyota continues to have trouble keeping up with demand.

Well yes, I understand that about the RDX, but I still don't quite understand people choosing to buy it over a variety of other very good competitor models. The RDX, at least to me, seems very unexceptional.

 

[mmcartalk]

Well yes, I understand that about the RDX, but I still don't quite understand people choosing to buy it over a variety of other very good competitor models. The RDX, at least to me, seems very unexceptional.

Though I'm sure there are also some other factors that we may not be aware of, one contributing factor, IMO, is that RDX models start at almost the same price (35K) as top-line AWD Honda Pilot EX models (34K), while offering Acura's better 6/70 and 4/50 warranties, as opposed to Honda's 5/60 and 3/36. The RDX probably would also be discounted a little more in the deal-making process.....making deals on Hondas can be like pulling teeth. Some people, if they are going to spend (roughly) the same amount of money, just want to get a more upmarket nameplate for it instead. The flip sides to that, of course, are that the Pilot has more space efficiency inside, and that Acura doesn't have the widespread dealer network that Honda does, making service/retail outlets more difficult to get to.

 

[CIF]

Though I'm sure there are also some other factors that we may not be aware of, one contributing factor, IMO, is that RDX models start at almost the same price (35K) as top-line AWD Honda Pilot EX models (34K), while offering Acura's better 6/70 and 4/50 warranties, as opposed to Honda's 5/60 and 3/36. The RDX probably would also be discounted a little more in the deal-making process.....making deals on Hondas can be like pulling teeth. Some people, if they are going to spend (roughly) the same amount of money, just want to get a more upmarket nameplate for it instead. The flip sides to that, of course, are that the Pilot has more space efficiency inside, and that Acura doesn't have the widespread dealer network that Honda does, making service/retail outlets more difficult to get to.

Yeah, that would support my theory that it's mostly existing Honda/Acura buyers upgrading/renewing their vehicles and going with the RDX. It would be highly interesting to see conquest sales numbers for the RDX.

 

[mikeavelli]

Note Lexus was #1 in Japan last month and amazingly the 10th best selling brand. Note how much more Toyota sells compared to the competition, about the same as Honda, Nissan and Mazda combined.

JAPAN TOP BRANDS JULY SALES

1 Toyota 132,917 -8%
2 Honda 60,049 -15%
3 Suzuki 53,565 -18%
4 Nissan 51,081 -8%
5 Daihatsu 43,261 -11%
6 Mazda 20,876 +35%
7 Subaru 14,064 -6%
8 Mitsubishi 9,747 +1%
9 Isuzu 5,964 +2%
10 Lexus 4,392 +35%
11 Mercedes 4,373 +13%
12 Hino 4,227 +6%
13 Volkswagen 4,199 0%
14 Mitsubishi Fuso 3,457 +3%
15 BMW 3,130 +16%
16 Audi 2,126 +14%
17 Mini 1,466 +18%
18 Volvo 1,078 +40%
19 UD Trucks 881 +30%
20 Jeep 584 +14%
21 Renault 505 +23%
22 Porsche 481 +84%
23 Fiat 438 -12%
24 Ford 437 -10%
25 Peugeot 408 +12%
26 Land Rover 236 +11%
27 Alfa Romeo 163 +15%
28 Citroen 135 -6%
29 Maserati 128 +33%
30 Abarth 112 0.0% new 29 873 0.0% new 29 38
31 Cadillac 80 +14%
32 Ferrari 76 +145%
33 Jaguar 74 -14%
34 DS 72
35 Chevrolet 60 -49%
36 Lamborghini +88%
37 Dodge 31-28%
38 Bentley 29 +81%
39 Lotus 22 -12%
40 Alpina 21-38%
41 Rolls-Royce 19 +46%
42 Aston Martin 16 +14%
43 Chrysler 9 -90%
44 GMC 9 +125%
45 Hyundai 9 -18%
46 Smart 8-91%
47 McLaren 5 -50%
48 Scania 5 +25%
49 Rover 4-33%
50 Pontiac 4+33%
51 Hummer2 -33%
52 Lancia 1-83%
53 Morgan 1-50%
54 Buick 10%
55 Opel 0 0%

 

[mmcartalk]

Look at that.........Suzuki at #3. They actually had to pack up and leave the American market for lack of sales (and dealerships). Daihatsu at #5....another casualty that couldn't make it here. And Isuzu at #9.....yet another American-market casualty. With that chart, you can sure tell you aren't in the U.S. Mitsubishi (#8) is still here, hanging on by a string, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that lasting much longer either.

You can also tell how the Japanese shun American nameplates (probably no surprise, as that has been going on for years). Ford is the highest-ranking one....at #24. And Buick at the bottom of the list....where right next door, in China, they worship Buicks.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Note Lexus was #1 in Japan last month and amazingly the 10th best selling brand. Note how much more Toyota sells compared to the competition, about the same as Honda, Nissan and Mazda combined.

JAPAN TOP BRANDS JULY SALES

1 Toyota 132,917 -8%
2 Honda 60,049 -15%
3 Suzuki 53,565 -18%
4 Nissan 51,081 -8%
5 Daihatsu 43,261 -11%
6 Mazda 20,876 +35%
7 Subaru 14,064 -6%
8 Mitsubishi 9,747 +1%
9 Isuzu 5,964 +2%
10 Lexus 4,392 +35%
11 Mercedes 4,373 +13%
12 Hino 4,227 +6%
13 Volkswagen 4,199 0%
14 Mitsubishi Fuso 3,457 +3%
15 BMW 3,130 +16%
16 Audi 2,126 +14%
17 Mini 1,466 +18%
18 Volvo 1,078 +40%
19 UD Trucks 881 +30%
20 Jeep 584 +14%
21 Renault 505 +23%
22 Porsche 481 +84%
23 Fiat 438 -12%
24 Ford 437 -10%
25 Peugeot 408 +12%
26 Land Rover 236 +11%
27 Alfa Romeo 163 +15%
28 Citroen 135 -6%
29 Maserati 128 +33%
30 Abarth 112 0.0% new 29 873 0.0% new 29 38
31 Cadillac 80 +14%
32 Ferrari 76 +145%
33 Jaguar 74 -14%
34 DS 72
35 Chevrolet 60 -49%
36 Lamborghini +88%
37 Dodge 31-28%
38 Bentley 29 +81%
39 Lotus 22 -12%
40 Alpina 21-38%
41 Rolls-Royce 19 +46%
42 Aston Martin 16 +14%
43 Chrysler 9 -90%
44 GMC 9 +125%
45 Hyundai 9 -18%
46 Smart 8-91%
47 McLaren 5 -50%
48 Scania 5 +25%
49 Rover 4-33%
50 Pontiac 4+33%
51 Hummer2 -33%
52 Lancia 1-83%
53 Morgan 1-50%
54 Buick 10%
55 Opel 0 0%

for a small island nation, that seems impressive, even if Toyota thinks the market is somewhat shrinking. Is there a breakdown of Toyota by model? Would be interested to see that as well for Lexus too...(I wonder if NX is the #1 selling Lexus or not).

 

[spwolf]

for a small island nation, that seems impressive, even if Toyota thinks the market is somewhat shrinking. Is there a breakdown of Toyota by model? Would be interested to see that as well for Lexus too...(I wonder if NX is the #1 selling Lexus or not).

NX is certainly #1.

2.0t engine will likely increase sales in Japan for Lexus... thing is, biggest competition for them is not just MB/BMW/Audi which sell great but rather Toyota RWD models which are significantly cheaper.

 

[mmcartalk]

NX is certainly #1.

Even without hard numbers, I'd probably agree. In the Lexus lineup, IMO, though I'm not a fan of its looks, it's the best combination of vehicle practicality, space efficiency, and AWD at the lowest price. A combination like that has a lot of appeal.