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Geez...Lexus has been all over the place lately. They don't give us a new IS; rather, they hand us a major overhaul with the same interior. But then, they sort of make up for it with the IS500 trademarked (can't judge too soon though). They cancel the LCF project. Now, they give us a disappointing update on the LS. Sorry, but wtf are those holes on the side of the Hybrid version? What up with the big sensor on the bottom that ruins the flow of the grille? Also, the tacked on tablet-like screen in place of what used to be there? That doesn't look "refreshed" to me. The front of the FSport looks really stunning, though! But overall, Lexus, get your act together! What is going on with, y'all?

I'm looking at this gallery by the way: https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/33020537.html

EDIT: I would like to add that I have a right to say what I want. I love Lexus. Always had. Always will. So for people like @CRSKTN who like to twist my words without even mentioning me, you can kiss my ass. We all know Lexus has been behind lately. EVEN LEXUS ADMITTED THAT. I am just emphasizing that. So if you have a problem with that, then you are sheltering yourself from the truth, and that's sad.
 
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So I might be the outlier, but I like it for the functional improvements. The touchscreen should be miles better then the touchpad for carplay/android interaction. The "teammate" or "L2 but we have been advised by legal not to mention L2" systems are quite impressive, should they perform/work as a refined L2 system. I assume those holes are for the Teammate system as well. I wonder if this system requires LIDAR?
 

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WTF is with all the stupid, baseless criticism?

Fyi it has independent rear seats for whoever claimed it didnt.

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The side sensors and front sensor are because this is an L2 self driving vehicle. Stop criticizing things you dont understand or are out of the loop on. The LCF being cancelled is a rumor. The new IS interior is not "the same" as it was before, unless you have magic access to sit inside it and tell for sure (my IS350 and RCF have the "same" interiors too, except not).

Good lord, there are communities online built to facilitate lazy discussion, this one has always struck me as one where people made an effort to be informed.
 

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So I might be the outlier, but I like it for the functional improvements. The touchscreen should be miles better then the touchpad for carplay/android interaction. The "teammate" or "L2 but we have been advised by legal not to mention L2" systems are quite impressive, should they perform/work as a refined L2 system. I assume those holes are for the Teammate system as well. I wonder if this system requires LIDAR?
Those side sensors and front sensor scream lidar, or some sort of sensor array to me.
 

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I think everyone except Tesla's using LIDAR at this point. Even iPads have it now for AR.

If the don't-call-it-L2 works and isn't extremely expensive this seems like a no-brainer upgrade for current LS drivers. Given the existing LSS is a long way towards it, I'd think it'll be relatively cheap, but who knows.

The tacked-on tablet would not look so bad if it had a larger screen to reduce bezel size, something like 14-15 inch.
I don't even mind the bezel, but I'd prefer if it was like the current LS500, except more forward. So the top of the dash still goes over the screen.
 

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Let's all take a seat here for a second and relax.

I'd like to see any vehicle reveal where an enthusiast community did not have some sort of critiques or feelings about it. This is the nature of forums and enthusiast communities overall, and some of you seem to forget that.

I think it's fair to say that some of you like this LS redesign, and some don't. Let's respect each other's opinions, cut the passive aggressive remarks and keep it moving.

Thanks.
 

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It maybe some weird press photos, but those cutouts seem to indicate that the teammate system is optional? Hybrid vehicles have the cutouts while the F sport and regular versions are missing those cutouts?
I suspect it's just that cars with Teammate have the cutouts and the rest don't. Given what the 4LS mules for Teammate looked like originally, the cutouts aren't ideal but they're a lot better than I had feared.
 

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I think it's fair to say that some of you like this LS redesign, and some don't.
Visually it's not what I was expecting, but I love the Teammate tech, the reprogrammed ECU/TCU for better acceleration (although that oughta be a flash update for current LS500s), the changes to the air suspension and the seats to make the ride more plush, the improved engine sound deadening, and the new metal leaf interior ornamentation. It feels like they actually did listen to the ranting I did on the Lexus Advisory Board surveys 🤣

ETA: I'm assuming we won't get the digital mirrors or blade-scan headlights in the US because regulations, but they're cool.
 

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Since the 5LS launch, Lexus has consistently made little improvements to the car and while this is being delivered as a refresh, I see it more as methodical continued improvement vs. a more visually apparent model change that we probably expected. I think we're all accustomed to more significant visual changes for a Lexus refresh (especially over the last decade), which this car does not have.

But to spwolf's point, there are a lot of small updates here that show some effort: improvements to NVH, the new safety and autonomous driving tech, suspension revisions, infotainment upgrades and they seem to have recalibrated the powertrain to provide more oomph where it counts. Good updates - can't dispute those improvements.

I agree with Ian's point that tucking the new tablet under the dash line would have made it seem more integrated and less tacked on. The new interior metal leaf accent looks like a bad faux finish or winter camo print. Not my cup of tea. I am pleased that it seems like the weird dash graphic on the passenger side of the dash is gone.

I was personally expecting Lexus to reshape the front seat backs and/or the back seats to quell some of the complaints about rear headroom and seating position. Maybe they did that but it didn't make the press release...? I was also expecting at least some new wheel designs to mix things up and stronger visual updates to the front and rear to make the car look newer. As it stands now, you would have to be an enthusiast to tell the difference between 2018-2020 and 2021+ and that doesn't bode well when the car has already been selling poorly.

The new calibration for the powertrains might help to reduce complaints about power, but I know some here were hoping for a V8 or 600h option that did not happen. I thought a 600h could be in the cards, but not a V8, so I am not as let down.

TL;DR it seems like the focus of this refresh was technology and refinement, and less about visual change or new powertrains. Whether you like or dislike what Lexus did is up to you.

Some here have said that the 5LS seems like a stopgap solution between the extended lifetime of the 4LS and whatever comes next. I was not inclined to believe that after so much investment going into GA-L and the resulting poor sales because usually ToMoCo needs a plan or projection of recooping their investment before launching a new model. However, I'm beginning to think this theory could be right and this generation of LS might have been a testing ground for new platforms and tech to prepare for a 6LS that could be sooner than we think.
 

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I know I might be rehashing what everyone has said so far, but it seems that the original design of the fifth generation LS was quite cohesive and visually flowed. I don't think the designer(s) had thought about the inclusion of these technologies initially, which is why the refresh looks botched/disrupted. I am happy that the LS is debuting the new autonomous technology, as it stills shows how it is viewed as the true flagship showing the capabilities of Lexus.

At the end of the day, this refresh doesn't impact me a lot because I won't be able to afford one until later on in my life. I would like to hear what reviewers say about the improvements to the transmission calibration, as it hopefully shows that they would be willing to do the same on lower end models like the ES or even the Camry.
 

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Some here have said that the 5LS seems like a stopgap solution between the extended lifetime of the 4LS and whatever comes next. I was not inclined to believe that after so much investment going into GA-L and the resulting poor sales because usually ToMoCo needs a plan or projection of recooping their investment before launching a new model. However, I'm beginning to think this theory could be right and this generation of LS might have been a testing ground for new platforms and tech to prepare for a 6LS that could be sooner than we think.
I deeply, fervently and sincerely hope you're right about this, but the pessimist in me fears the opposite. Perhaps the 2021 5LS refresh is so modest because 5LS will, instead, follow the 4LS and 3IS playbook: an initial mild refresh, followed by a second more profound one (presumably for the 2024 5LS) and a decade (or decade-plus) lifespan.
 

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Some here have said that the 5LS seems like a stopgap solution between the extended lifetime of the 4LS and whatever comes next. I was not inclined to believe that after so much investment going into GA-L and the resulting poor sales because usually ToMoCo needs a plan or projection of recooping their investment before launching a new model. However, I'm beginning to think this theory could be right and this generation of LS might have been a testing ground for new platforms and tech to prepare for a 6LS that could be sooner than we think.
I'm 100% sure that's what's happening. There's an NDA on the content of Lexus Advisory Board stuff so I can't cite specific things, but they've been asking about some pretty wild stuff in the last year or so.
 

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I deeply, fervently and sincerely hope you're right about this, but the pessimist in me fears the opposite. Perhaps the 2021 5LS refresh is so modest because 5LS will, instead, follow the 4LS and 3IS playbook: an initial mild refresh, followed by a second more profound one (presumably for the 2024 5LS) and a decade (or decade-plus) lifespan.
Stop being realistic - I'm trying to be positive here 🤣

Yes, I think you've outlined the other likely scenario. I could see them refreshing the car again in another 3 years with some of the things we were expecting this time around like more dramatic sheetmetal, another revised dash and perhaps the 600h powertrain after it debuts in the Tundra.

Net new platform and powertrains in 2018 mean the LS doesn't really need another holistic crazy model change for a while. I think the struggle is that we were expecting them to do some of those things for 2021, but this spirit of continuous improvement with new powertrains coming in the next few years might be enough to help keep the LS fresh.

I'm now fairly confident that the LS+ concept was more of an early look at the direction of the 6LS than anything relating to 5LS. So far this generation, we've been expecting LS 600, LS 600h, LS F, LS hydrogen FCV and some production version of the LS+ concept. I think it's probably safe to say none of those things are going to happen now and all the goodies will be saved for a 6LS or 5.2LS.
 
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