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Where are all the LS F renderings? I'm surprised none have showed up yet.
That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.
That late 2014 blue Best Car rendering was probably the one not biased by the concept (cribbed more from 4LS), due to the LF-FC project not being public info nor even known by lower-level Toyota HQ personnel in Aichi, who probably leaked info about the 5LS to Best Car. I hated it with that blue rendering with a passion, but can see so many things were accurate as early as it was.^^^^ Wow amazing stuff. Your ideas support some rumors that have swirled for awhile of a sedan above the LS.
As for the mag drawings below, it seems most everyone missed a key detail in them. That the rear door had a curved C/D-pillar which is completely different from the LF-FC.
I have actually opened up a new thread on what it could be, as it is puzzling.That's actually the first thing I noticed while scrolling down Carmaker1's post too, before I read your reply.
Great catch on MotorTrend's so-called Alfa Romeo Giulia spy pics, Carmaker1. If you look at MotorTrend's spy pic closely, you'll notice that it doesn't have any side window behind the rear door, a distinct feature of the 5LS. It also has wide fenders, which the 5LS does not have but somehow the white mule in the Japanese magazine Carmaker1 posted does.
So is the car in the spy shots posted by MotorTrend the same car as the white mule in the Japanese magazine? Very possibly so, but since it's simply a modified 4LS that was spotted way before the 5LS prototype was seen, and since the car in MotorTrend's spy shots shares identical wheels with the spied 5LS prototype, I'd say the mule posted by MotorTrend was no more than an early prototype on the GA-L platform with a 4LS shell, and not a fuel-cell prototype or a separate model positioned above the LS.
So what you are saying is that this vehicle will still be a part of the LS lineup, but technically in a separate segment that will compete with the ultra-luxury saloons such as Mercedes-Maybach, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc. And you are saying that it will be powered by a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? So it will be fully electric, probably the first in it's segment. What name do you guys think it will have? I'm going with LS 650eL (I tried "XL" but it looked too weird, 650 just because it will seem more prestigious than the V12-powered Mercedes-Maybach S600 , and the "e" stands for "electric" since it is still electric even though it is powered by hydrogen rather than the traditional regular battery.). One thing is for sure, it will not get as many sales as it's competitors, because:Anyway, what it seems to me is that, the LF-FC is definitely going to arrive as a fuel cell-powered larger vehicle, an XL version of the LS with unique styling. Similar to how the XL length X222 Mercedes-Maybach S600 exists alongside the LWB W222 Mercedes-Benz S600.
That explains why Mark Templin said that the LF-FC was NOT specifically the next LS, as even though it strongly hinted at it in the interior and front fascia, the C pillar and that of the rear were not exact.
The fuel cell will be a six-figure priced Lexus come 2020, as a possible Mercedes-Benz Maybach competitor. Lexus knew very well back in mid-2014, the design that was signed-off would be controversial, which coincides with many summer 2014 articles on Lexus going after the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Panamera. Yet they ended up favouring a more cab-rearward design for their concept developed in the months after that.
Ferrari literally just dropped a car today called the Ferrari 812 Super Fast. So maybe Lexus will follow suite and call it the LS 9000 Super LS hahahahahhaI have mixed emotions about the LF-FC coming later as a "non-LS" vehicle. Another halo sedan above LS in the Lexus lineup with a different name would be a no-go IMO, so maybe it will use some version of "LS _____."
Does anyone notice that the new LS's introduction page on the Lexus International site (unintentionally?) reveals a photo showing the backseat that is SLIGHTLY different from those of the LS500 at NAIAS or other auto show or on the official Lexus website.So...how likely is it that Lexus will show off a 4-seat variant of the LS500 at Geneva with a proper big central unit with tables etc?
Is it just me who feels the middle seat being folded down to provide this seems a little cheap? I know the current LS you can spec with either this 5-seat variant and then the 4-seat variant with the impressive big centre console unit...but that also came with the reclining seats and longwheelbase which the LS already is.
This leads me to think there will no longer be a 4-seat variant of the car which is a shame, I know this may seems strange and splitting hairs but I feel opening the door to a car with the big chunky centre console in the rear with fold out tables etc. is far more impressive than the seat folded down...even worse the head rest is attached so it hangs down and just looks silly/cheap.