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I think it will come down to marketing for the Land Cruiser 300... identical dimensions to the 200 platform mean the hard points didn't change, so it will be a progression or variation of the 200 platform. If they change some of the chassis bracing or weld technology... sure, they might call it "new" or say it is a TNGA platform, but I guess we will have to wait to see.

I am with you that I think the LX will move to the new F/F1 platform with the Tundra, Sequoia and others, and become a bit larger. It makes logical sense with what dealers and buyers want, and the new TX coming.

I very much doubt LX will not share a lot with LC. It is not that simple - Tundra and Sequoia are much cheaper vehicles than LC/LX.
People need to remember that LX is first and foremost be a better version of LX, not something else.
 

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The LC500h could keep up with LC500 that has 117hp more at low speed thanks to rally car like gear ratios. LS500h is also faster than LS600h with 90 more hp. A 'LX500h' will have no problem outrunning the LX570.

The problem is not raw performance but battery capacity. The 500h system has a tiny 1.1kWh battery with 40C cycle rate. So on a 2500+kg SUV towing 3000+kg the battery will run out in no time. After that there's a 295hp V6 pulling that weight AND trying to charge up the battery.

IMO the multistage is a very decent system but with an underpowered and undersized battery. The capacity is way too small to maintain healthy SOC and power is too low. It needs to be at least twice the size to be appropriate.
 

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The LC500h could keep up with LC500 that has 117hp more at low speed thanks to rally car like gear ratios. LS500h is also faster than LS600h with 90 more hp. A 'LX500h' will have no problem outrunning the LX570.

The problem is not raw performance but battery capacity. The 500h system has a tiny 1.1kWh battery with 40C cycle rate. So on a 2500+kg SUV towing 3000+kg the battery will run out in no time. After that there's a 295hp V6 pulling that weight AND trying to charge up the battery.

IMO the multistage is a very decent system but with an underpowered and undersized battery. The capacity is way too small to maintain healthy SOC and power is too low. It needs to be at least twice the size to be appropriate.

Nobody is taking it seriously then. "Good enough" performance doesn't cut it for a six figure halo SUV.
 

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Nobody is taking it seriously then. "Good enough" performance doesn't cut it for a six figure halo SUV.
I do have to agree. Nothing wrong with having a base model with good enough performance but as we all know Lexus needs to do a better job at the higher end. I mean come on give us the option for it at least! A lot of people don't want that much performance I agree but why let people walk out your door because you don't even have the option for more performance. Fingers crossed Lexus will pay more attention on this going forward. IS500 is a start....
 

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The LC500h could keep up with LC500 that has 117hp more at low speed thanks to rally car like gear ratios. LS500h is also faster than LS600h with 90 more hp. A 'LX500h' will have no problem outrunning the LX570.

The problem is not raw performance but battery capacity. The 500h system has a tiny 1.1kWh battery with 40C cycle rate. So on a 2500+kg SUV towing 3000+kg the battery will run out in no time. After that there's a 295hp V6 pulling that weight AND trying to charge up the battery.

IMO the multistage is a very decent system but with an underpowered and undersized battery. The capacity is way too small to maintain healthy SOC and power is too low. It needs to be at least twice the size to be appropriate.

Having driven LS 500, LC 500, LS 500h and LC 500h, I have to say there is just no way that hybrid system will work in anything heavier than the LS. It is very slow and underpowered, especially if you start adding people and gear in the car. Around town, back and forth? OK. Anything more than that (and again, with people and gear) and it runs out of steam very quickly. The LX right now is 5800-6000lbs... that hybrid system saddled with another 800 lbs would be unacceptable. There would have to be some sort of different battery pack or turbo V6 as the base engine.
 

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Agreed, I don't think they would add more weight to an SUV that is already heavy.

It's just ironic, the people that complain about the LX being slow are ones that have no intention of buying it. The currently LX sells well on its own despite its age.
 

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It's just ironic, the people that complain about the LX being slow are ones that have no intention of buying it. The currently LX sells well on its own despite its age.


That's not irony, those are missed customers. Of course people critical of it might not buy it. They're saying "I hope Lexus can address these issues so this vehicle can tick all my boxes, because I don't want to compromise".

That's what we are saying. Why not add options, let people up the power and other factors and see how much people are willing to spend.

You don't need to negatively impact the existing base and package offerings to engineer in better materials and options/power, unless you have some serious legacy manufacturing limitations.
 
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I'm sorry but I can't comment too much on this matter, I only said something since someone posted my video on this thread and I was tagged. I own a number of companies - one of them is Automotive Press which I have been operating for over 30 years. I am a global specialist in TPS and travel around the world on this subject, so I know exactly how the TNGA system works, how Toyota utilizes it to design vehicles, and how these cars are produced (I teach TNGA and TPS methods to companies all around the world). So I understand TNGA better than anyone else within the youtube community. I'm also the one who de-mystified and corrected the error regarding the twin turbo V-8 engine patent situation which almost every media picked up (someone in fact posted my video on this forum as well).

But honestly, I'm not here to boast, but just to share what I can whenever I can because I also own 7 Toyota/Lexus cars and so I am an owner as well. Anyhow, I am very careful as to what I share, which is why I never posted the Lexus NX leak because that one is clearly a breach of confidentiality in my eyes. Thanks everyone for your support - good to be connected here.

You kinda just did. :)

It's nice to hear your insights. I almost pulled the trigger on a current gen LX. but instead got a GS F lol. But I am very interested in any details on the next LX.
 

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That's not irony, those are missed customers. Of course people critical of it might not buy it. They're saying "I hope Lexus can address these issues so this vehicle can tick all my boxes, because I don't want to compromise".

That's what we are saying. Why not add options, let people up the power and other factors and see how much people are willing to spend.

You don't need to negatively impact the existing base and package offerings to engineer in better materials and options/power, unless you have some serious legacy manufacturing limitations.
The number one complaint from customers and dealers is size, not speed, in regards to the LX. I do agree options would be great in regards to them currently having a single older power train.

When the LX debuts it will answer some of what is being asked here. But it won’t have all the answers you are looking for.
 

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That's not irony, those are missed customers. Of course people critical of it might not buy it. They're saying "I hope Lexus can address these issues so this vehicle can tick all my boxes, because I don't want to compromise".

That's what we are saying. Why not add options, let people up the power and other factors and see how much people are willing to spend.

You don't need to negatively impact the existing base and package offerings to engineer in better materials and options/power, unless you have some serious legacy manufacturing limitations.

They know this and there will be a few more options coming up soon.
 

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@ssun30 covered it here, but it seems the Land Cruiser will receive a different tune of the V35A compared to the LS 500: 410hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. The bump in torque is very nice and will help with drivability on a heavy SUV. I'll be interested to see if the LX gets that same tune or something different, but that's a decent starting point for power. For comparison:

Navigator: 450hp/510 lb-ft
Escalade: 420hp/460 lb-ft
X7 50i: 456hp/ 479 lb-ft
GLS 580: 483hp/ 516 lb-ft

From those specs, if the LX gets the same tune as the Land Cruiser, it would be second from the bottom in terms of the competition, and we know Cadillac is already testing a new V8 for the Escalade.

I assume the LX's wild card will be the hybrid, which if it's the same as the Tundra, I hear will be approaching 500hp and 550 lb-ft. I guess we should know more on that soon.
 

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^^The 100-200kg weight loss will also put it at similar weight to unibody competition, quite impressive for BOF. The listed GVM for LC300 is actually lower than X7/GLS.

After a decade experimenting with weight reduction and making really light cars, German brands are again building very heavy cars and SUVs.
 

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LX 570 and LX 600 Sport, F SPORT and VIP Trims Leaked​

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In a spec sheet that leaked on the <a href="http://www.instagram.com/landcruiserupdates">LandCruiserUpdates</a> Instagram page, multiple trims and two engine options for the upcoming Lexus LX are beginning to come into focus.

Interestingly, both LX 570 and LX 600 models are present on the the build sheet. Looking at the model code "URJ201R" for the LX 570, it seems that the LX 570 model might retain the 5.7L V8 used in the current generation. Now that specifications are available for the Land Cruiser 300, it is logical to assume that the LX 600 could come with a 3.5L twin-turbo V6 producing 410 horsepower and 480 lb-ft of torque just like the Land Cruiser, presumably mated to at 10-speed automatic transmission.

Moving onto trims, multiple models are shown including 4X4, SPORT, F SPORT and VIP. It seems the 4X4 might come in as the base model, while the F SPORT trim is fairly easy to imagine. Perhaps most interesting is the VIP model atop the lineup. Over the last few years, we've heard rumors that the next-generation LX would offer a top spec trim similar to the LS sedan's executive package. Could that be the "VIP" seen here?

Join the conversation on the Lexus Enthusiast forums and let us know what you think these models and trims might mean.

 

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Smart, old reliable V8 for base model. People who are sticklers for it for offroading probably don't want more than a base models complexity,
 
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The column after Year is the price. One thing VERY interesting is the price of LX600 series is cheaper than LX570.
 

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The column after Year is the price. One thing VERY interesting is the price of LX600 series is cheaper than LX570.
The 570s are the offroad models with custom components or other differentiation.

The sport will be the hardcore offroad pack. The VIP is a hardcore luxury pack.

Only people who know will recognize it beyond looks, and urban luxury buyers get a bigger number.

I am sure they will both have options, and that the VIP likely goes pretty high too.

That's my guess.

Edit If it's true it is listing existing and new side by side, I am wrong, but I can't confirm
 
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