mikeavelli
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That front end looks amazing to me...hopefully finally with the power to match the super aggressive looks. Thank you for this info!
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Agree with mike. That front end is insane... and I absolutely love it. 395hp TT V6 sounds about right too, and I assume it might be mated to the new 10AT?
Next gen F V8 is supposed to be twin turbo and 600+ hp, so I assume that the engine above would be a mid grade option.
Very promising.
Next gen F V8 is supposed to be twin turbo and 600+ hp, so I assume that the engine above would be a mid grade option.
Very promising.
Thank you for the scoop, information like this is getting very hard to come by these days, so much appreciated Carmaker1!
Not really feeling the front end personally, I both like it and hate it at the same time. Even for a GS F, I don't think it fits. I think all the black cladding looks very out of place and tacky. That rendering just looks too overdone in my opinion.
I also doubt that engine will be used for the GS F.
Also what's truly incredible is we have more details now on the next-gen GS technically, than we do on the next LS, even though the LS is coming sooner. Bizarre.
Not really feeling the front end personally, I both like it and hate it at the same time. Even for a GS F, I don't think it fits. I think all the black cladding looks very out of place and tacky. That rendering just looks too overdone in my opinion.
I also doubt that engine will be used for the GS F.
Also what's truly incredible is we have more details now on the next-gen GS technically, than we do on the next LS, even though the LS is coming sooner. Bizarre.
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Likely with the 10 speed, but only if it is ready to be mated to the 10 speed automatic like the 2UR-GSE. This engine sounds like it is the GS300 and GS350 replacement.
The TTV8 is likely being saved for last. What will replace for 2UR-GSE for the 2019-2020 model year in the LC and LS is my question. Still a downsized, but single turbo 4.0L V8 putting out 480-500?
Then maybe the F variants get a twin turbo V8 w/600?
I have to wonder why that particular rendering was made though? Someone internally leaking hints already, but maybe too early to be concrete.
Anything is something right now.
You're welcome! It is quite early to even be talking about a next generation GS-F, but not really a GS300t F-Sport.
I do feel that design is too overly aggressive at the front, with an uninspired side profile (well it's a rendering). The same issue the current model has. At this point some items might be leaking out, based on internal design proposals.
This could be an overdone version of a losing proposal, that the chosen one might even be different and tame.
I agree about how shocking it is one is hearing about the 2019 GS already, yet not much about the LS. Reading Tokuo Fukuichi's and Akio Toyoda's body language during each of their LF-FC presentations they were unusually stern and business as usual.
Toyoda's mood greatly changed at NAIAS, once he changed subject to the LC500. You can see how particular they are about silence regarding it.
There is LS news out there, but you really have to be really good with Japanese search engines to come across tidbits. I don't post some things, as there is no visual illustration and too muddled.
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I think you are right...
I was told a while ago that going forward, Lexus will favor a comprehensive rollout at a new model change/introduction - meaning that all model options will at least be revealed within a few months of each other. This is unlike the 2IS where we got IS F two years after the 250/350, and 4GS when we got GS F three years after 350/450h. What we should expect is something more like RC where RC 300h, RC 350 and RC F were all revealed much more closely together (albeit 200t came a year later).
If that is so, I think we could see...
2018 LC 500/LC 500h
2019 LC F
2018 LS 500/LS 500h/ LS 300t (maybe)
2019 LS F
2019 GS 200t/GS 300t/ GS hybrid
2020 GS F
That seems like a lot of product launching at the same time based on hypothetical model years, but as you always note, production model years and "on sale" dates rarely align, so Lexus could stagger any of those over nearly 24 months.
I do indeed hope that a timeline this this happens, instead of waiting 2-3 years for F models.
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This would be good as a GS 350 replacement and a good engine for the F-Sport. But that face! It looks menacing, I love it!
The 2UR-GSE V8 while shockingly passed all the emission regulations, that all other automakers simply could not, was criticised by the journalists as old tech and gas guzzler. Maybe now, Toyota will give journalists what they want. But new engines will comply with higher emission standards, therefore will lose 20 percent of max hp power. Considering GS200t weight on par with GS350 I bet that weight will remain the same in this case too and maybe even Lexus will add more luxury equipment(more sound deadening material etc. Maybe Next -F will have slower pace performance than current -F, which would be ok as a result, considering the new environmental chalenges.
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GS F cannot afford to be slower with all the competition having sub 4 second 0-60 times.
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I may be one of the few that does not care for that front end...the shape of the grille looks good, the side vents look good, but those headlights and those blue things in the grille do not work for me. If the blue was blacked out in the grille, it would look good. If the headlights weren't so skinny with an overbearing checkmark DRL, then it would be perfect.
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Oh I completely agree with you -- it's way overdone. But squinting at it, trying to picture a version that would actually reach production, and I would be very impressed.
Motortrend questioned Yukihiko Yaguchi san, when he gave life to his second -F child.
What car did you benchmark?
Yaguchi: No benchmark. I don’t care about the competitors. I want to create what I want, which is a really high-performance car offering driving pleasure to anybody, even regular drivers.
If this article/rumour is to be believed, then
1. All true -F lovers with sadness realise that Lexus will have to ditch a core element of -F cars (the NA V8 engine with its -F sound note) in favour of Non-NA V6 with their comical-tragedy engine sound notes.
2. But what makes them happy by looking that next -F engine will also output 20 % less power, is that Lexus take this direction, not because Yaguchi san changed his mind about -F cars, but because Lexus could not surpass emission standards.
Now do you understand why your comment logic is absolutely irritating, frustrating and under certain circumstances a trolling behaviour for the true fans of the -F cars? Your thinking shows that, you are totally ignoring the creator's words about the -F cars. But I also think that most people here tend to ignore Yaguchi san words too, which is really dissapointing. A sign of disrespect. I don't want to blame people who think that way, since I want to believe that you are falling into the usual journalists trap. Therefore automakers invest on buyers snobbism and arrogance, who don't really care about obtaining that high level of track performance driving enjoyment advertised by the journalists, but rather for social reasons ( e.g talking about their cars at cafe's while reading on the magazines how fast is their car 0-60, or think they can find a sex partner by advertising their gun on wheels, when otherwise an impossible task).
Thankfully Lexus way of thinking on its F cars, allows owners to challenge their limits and make them better drivers on daily public road conditions by providing very easy drivability even on rainy or icy roads, without scaring drivers and staying always in a safety net. An approach far away from the usual marketing/cheating business and such kind of people.
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Wanted to bump this to keep it relevant with the new engines coming and the new LS coming...the next GS will have a bigger role to fill next generation..
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quite literally...
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Newly from MAG-X is a rather concerning headline that informally translates to: レクサスGS開発凍結 or "Rekusasu GS Development Freeze". I do not want to be making any international purchases just yet, so I will have to wait until feasible tomorrow to get a copy. In the meantime, let's figure out what this means.
Would it refer to development being halted on the next generation GS at this point? As freezing of development means it is suspended (possibly indefinitely). A design freeze alternatively refers to suspending or conclusion of design work. Development freeze should be happening towards launch, not at this point. Development on a next GS would have started sometime in late 2013 or 2014.
Would it refer to development being halted on the next generation GS at this point? As freezing of development means it is suspended (possibly indefinitely). A design freeze alternatively refers to suspending or conclusion of design work. Development freeze should be happening towards launch, not at this point. Development on a next GS would have started sometime in late 2013 or 2014.