It doesn’t have to perform well to be an engaging driver’s car and sell relatively well. Yeah the Supra will probably win on paper but most buyers in that demographic don’t take their car to the track enough (or at all) to see these benefits.The new Z won't be as impressive as you might think, mainly because of the platform that it's using is such an outdated design, too heavy for what it is and not to mention it is not a purpose built sports car platform unlike the MX-5, 124 spider, Supra and Z4. Since the platform is going to be a carryover from the 370Z, the current 370Z with a manual transmission already weighs about as much as the new Supra despite having a really basic interior, very little NVH insulation, regular passive dampers, no active differential/eLSD and most likely a less rigid chassis when compared to the Supra.
The primary focus of the new Z seems to revolve around the engine, that it will most likely offer a manual transmission unlike the new Supra and be a more affordable alternative to the Supra, but honestly I can't see the base price of the new Z starting at less than 40k USD when you take into consideration the cost of this twin turbo DI V6, upgrades throughout the whole car to handle that power and Nissan pushing the new Z more upmarket.
Yeah $240 million is literally nothing compared to what Toyota and BMW spent for the Supra and the Z4 project. This just confirms that the new Z will definitely undercut the Supra in price.Although I haven't elaborated too much, I know a hell of a lot about this program dating back to 2018 approval the cost of roughly $240 million and...touch on it later.
THIS! I don't know about everyone else, but rumored cheaper base 6cyl Z sounds a lot more attractive than a 4 banger Zupra. And a manual for the Z would be icing on the cake.A lower price will make it even more competitive, and don't forget that the base Supra has 255hp(I4) while the base Z may have 300hp (turbo V6).
Since the 300hp and 400hp versions are practically the same motor with different tunes, I'd say the 300hp Z is a better buy than the 6 cylinder Supra if youre planning on tuning.THIS! I don't know about everyone else, but rumored cheaper base 6cyl Z sounds a lot more attractive than a 4 banger Zupra. And a manual for the Z would be icing on the cake.
I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder if a 400hp version will come with better brakes/tires, suspension upgrades ect?Since the 300hp and 400hp versions are practically the same motor with different tunes, I'd say the 300hp Z is a better buy than the 6 cylinder Supra if youre planning on tuning.
The embarrassing part for Toyota is that they can't even increase power to match the Z without asking daddy bmw
I think you can get the bigger brakes on the 300hp Q60 in the sport package so you can probably option it on the 300hp Z and the 400hp Z will probably get them standard. Knowing Nissan, they will probably be using the same akebono kit since the 370z which can be found cheap as take offs. As for suspension, it probably won’t be much different than 370z suspension which has plenty of aftermarket options. I know stock vs aftermarket is a dumb conversation point when comparing cars but I think it’s important to mention that a modded 300hp Z could be less than the 4 cyl Supra with 6 cyl Supra performance.I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder if a 400hp version will come with better brakes/tires, suspension upgrades ect?
Lol, or at least drop the starting price point. Even the pro 2.0 people on the MKV forum feel that $43k is way too expensive for what you getting. This has been shared by a few people that think it was a mistake for Toyota to offer the 4 banger in the US. Toyota should have kept the 335hp version as the base model and taken out some of the goodies for a lower MSRP. If the rumors about the Z are true I predict the 4 banger Zupra is DOA.
That's false lmao. Toyota literally pulled off a gentleman's agreement with BMW by underrating their engine by quoting their horsepower numbers at the wheels and not the crank. BMW underrated their engine too but looking at the dyno it was closer to their claimed horsepower number than Toyota were closer to theirs. It's the same case for the 2021 GR Supra too.The embarrassing part for Toyota is that they can't even increase power to match the Z without asking daddy bmw