2021 G80/2 BMW M3 & M4

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Weird it's almost like it was actually euro-centric xenophobia driving anti Japanese car rhetoric, and not the supposed superiority of German engineering.

Ignorant, euro supremacist behaviour is nothing new.
 

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Weird it's almost like it was actually euro-centric xenophobia driving anti Japanese car rhetoric, and not the supposed superiority of German engineering.

Ignorant, euro supremacist behaviour is nothing new.


not euro, german, or Alfa, Lancia and Maserati would not be where they are now (non-existent).
 

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I didn't particularly mind the grille. I saw an M4 in Sao Paulo Yellow, it's pretty neat, kinda gives me muscle car vibes, which is neat in my book. Seems like people that've driven this around are very satisfied with its dynamics, managing the 'dual personality' thing incredibly well, and I don't doubt that at all. Engine is also really impressive. I'll say, I'm about as excited for the future of BMW as I am with Lexus (honestly I really like em' both), looks notwithstanding, but with how nice their interiors are, I can see myself in a M4, or iX for that matter.
 

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The new BMW grille is okay once you get used to it, but then you see those renderings of how good it looks without the gigantic grille.
 

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The new BMW grille is okay once you get used to it, but then you see those renderings of how good it looks without the gigantic grille.
Looks much better without the oversized nostrils, no question. Don’t feel like it was wise for BMW to take the risk they did, we will see in a couple of years what the sales numbers are….
 

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Looks much better without the oversized nostrils, no question. Don’t feel like it was wise for BMW to take the risk they did, we will see in a couple of years what the sales numbers are….
I quite admire the fact they're embracing this off the deep-end approach with everything nowadays. Is it really frickin' weird? Yeah. But being nonsensical is much more entertaining to me all around, so I don't mind it at all. And if they continue to deliver on the great driving/powertrain dynamics, and incredibly refined tech like they have been with their most recent M cars, then I see no reason to worry about them sales-wise.
 

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^^ Their ICEs are still so good. Hybrids not so much. Problem is their full electric strategy: 2 years late to the 'try to beat Tesla' game when others are refocusing on affordability and producibility. CLAR-based BEVs are still ICE-conversion and Neue Klasse is 3 years away. By then PPE/eTNGA/MEA would be years ahead.