What is essentially 170 horsepower eclipses all of its competitors base engines by a long mile. It is a great improvement over that dinosaur of a 1.8L engine with 137-140 horsepower, but I am scared it may fall back because other manufacturers have optional more powerful offerings. I just really hope that this Corolla does so well because I am so sick of reviewers playing favoritism towards Honda. One thing I am confident about is the new and rumored to be much more improved 6-speed manual, the CVT with the launch gear (which is excellent from a standing start), much better suspension upgrades and finally a chassis that the Corolla deserves.
realistically, difference in engines should be even bigger, since Corolla really bumped hp to 140 without bumping torque... due to new engine and D4S, I bet torque at 2000 rpmw is going to be at least 25% stronger. so I expect 8s 0-60, which is very reasonable.
It will be interesting to see what the MSRP will be, though this Corolla will offer even more value than the current iM. I still expect it to have discounts, much like the Civic it competes against. I've read about a few iMs selling for as low as $15K depending on the dealer discounts and rebates received...
It seems like ED2 did the work again, whereas the regular Corolla was done by the usual team designing cars for the more mundane Southeast Asian markets. We won't get the Hybrid version like you guys in Europe.
Quick to assumptions some of us were on the forums here. I wasn't sure that this was going to be an A Series engine, and turns out it is not. This arguably pays historical homage to the original M series engines, which were straight 6 and not I4 engines. I guess the homage is still somewhat there, as this is still an inline engine. So given this, I am not sure that the remaining yet-to-debut TNGA engines will be all M, A, or V series engines. We may see another one or two different engine series debut.
While I was surprised to see the new iM-succeeding Corolla hatchback for North America debuting so soon after its 3rd-gen European Auris counterpart, it's natural that it would precede the next "international" (E170) Corolla sedan. Looking back at the current/outgoing models' debuts, the 2nd-gen Auris debuted at the September 2012 Paris Motor Show, while the E170 Corolla sedan wasn't unveiled until June 2013.
LOL! Guilty as charged. I was so convinced that the 2 and 2.5-liter Dynamic Force engines would be part of the same A series, and it turns out they're not. Indeed, I picked up on that as soon as I read the Toyota USA Newsroom release on the new Corolla hatchback and meant to post that here, but CIF did it first, and articulated it better than I would've.
The 'M' prefix makes more sense than 'A'. Historically Toyota used the same prefix for engines that share the same block (with same bore and varying stroke, most of the time). The M20 has the same bore and stroke as the 3ZR, while the A25 is derived from the AR block so these two should be different families. That's why I've cautiously used scare quotes for the "A20A" notation. But it's still hard to understand why 'M' which was historically an inline-6 family.
The M20A is, according to a Toyota engineer and the head of FAW/Toyota, directly comparable to the 2.5L 2AR-FE. This probably means low end torque delivery and responsiveness are no worse than the old 2.5L unit. So yes, this engine is in a completely different league compared to the dinosaur 1.8 (which was very weak in the low end).
It is same vehicle, so they are renaming it... also Yaris IA is called Yaris Sedan now, just got the PR.
What is the 260B program? It is listed as an "update" to the Corolla produced under FAW. This sounds strange since the E170 has only been produced by FAW for three years. Why do they think they need a mid-life refresh in 2018 when the TNGA 150B program is scheduled for 2019?
sounds about right.
How accurate is best car with their info? I was reading about ES and UX there and they mentioned how ES will come with 2.5l turbo from next year, will replace GS in Japan and how UX will come with 1.6l 3cly turbo with 240hp.... neither of those sounds really valid?
Huh, what does the M20A have to do with the 3ZR, aside from bore and stroke? The M20A, like the other TNGA engines, is a clean sheet design. It's not "derived from" the 3ZR. The M20A is physically smaller and lighter than the 2ZR, not even talking about the 3ZR. There are fundamental differences between the M20A and 3ZR, like dramatically different compression ratios, thermal efficiency, different valve angles, among many other things.
