10 Years of Lexus F Celebration at Goodwood Festival of Speed

Discussion in 'Lexus Lounge' started by krew, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. krew
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  2. JJohn341
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    Cant wait to watch it. F cars and LFA are going to be the some of the best sounding and good to look at cars there.
     
  3. Gecko
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    IS F
    LFA
    RC F
    GS F


    ...UX.

    lol.
     
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    LFA terminated
    ISF terminated
    RCF to be deleted
    GSF maybe not having next generation

    RIP F Marque
     
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  5. Joaquin Ruhi
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    Where and when did you hear this?
     
  6. Gecko
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    One of the hardest losses for Lexus and the GS is dropping the GS F. Even if they come up with a next gen IS F, the amount of dead space between a ~$65-70k IS F and a ~$120k LS F is too much. They can't do anything with a FWD ES, unless maybe the next gen TNGA FWD platform can accommodate a much higher performance AWD system with better balance and weight distribution. That's a decade away.

    At this point, I think it would make more sense for Lexus to drop the RC than the GS, and reposition the GS as a four door coupe like we've all been saying. The GS is selling 2x+ RC numbers.

    IS F
    GS F
    LS F
    LC F
    ... is a decent lineup, but without GS F, the whole "F" concept really means very little. One "attainable" car with IS F and then two halo $120k models at the top? There's no continuity. No consistency.

    Lexus' best bet is NX F and RX F, but again, I don't think TNGA has the capacity to support high performance AWD and high horsepower applications in FWD-biased cars like Audi does.
     
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    Most of the recent reports pointed that there won't be a new RC may be just IS coupe as previous
     
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    You know what's even worse than an incomplete and inconsistent F line-up? Lexus manages to sell a large number of F-Sport packages even without attractive F cars. The whole point of these low-volume performance cars is to increase the average selling price of regular models through additional packages. If the packages sell themselves it just gives Lexus a very convenient excuse to not pursue a strong F lineup.
     
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    Of course. Ze Germans could end AMG and M tomorrow and the "_ Sport" packages would continue to fly off the shelves. It's as irrational as CUVs.
     
  10. mikeavelli
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    Without saying too much the RC F will continue to get investment. Its not going anywhere from my understanding :)
     
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    You sure you don’t want to say too much mikeavelli??
     
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    @mikeavelli
    Do you want to say that we will see a next generation RC?

    @Ian Schmidt
    It's totally rational and logic, the Germans worked so hard regarding this point of super saloons, they even now changed the definition of luxury from comfort to sport
     
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  14. Gecko
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    Yikes... this was timely based on our discussion here. Great review IMO.

     
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    The discussion above is all based on preconception some of us have instilled by opinions based on no-owners and inexperienced reviewers. Why does an enthusiast think that a car need to have 600+ HP to be desirable? I personally find that all F cars are very misjudged. They comparative have better power-train and interiors. Every reviews mention weight but all of the cars weigh about the same in real life. One more thing most of the F owners are very enthusiastic about the vehicle they own, after-all they looked at the segment, read the reviews and yet with all the negativity they still purchased the car.
     
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    That editing lol...can't even blur a license plate right.
     
  17. mikeavelli
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    I agree. His review is garbage here. The RC F has fared well considering everything he has mentioned. I guess my glass is half full.

    Let's be honest here, it could have 700hp and drive like a GT3 for 40k and people will still buy their German AMG, M etc...

    For a first effort in a very tough market it is pretty damn good. Ironically my biggest gripe is not mentioned as much and that I wish it had a better interior and some of the camera features on even the RX...
     
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  19. Ian Schmidt
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    At least it wasn't the UX. And since it caught fire in the back, it's a fuel tank or fuel pump issue probably.
     
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    It was probably caused by all that hay flying around the track. Either way its not good!