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Lexus IS 500 Nameplate Trademarked in USA

Lexus IS 500 Rendering

Lexus has trademarked the IS 500 nameplate in the USA, opening the door for a high-powered variant of its updated sports sedan.

Rumors of an IS 500 first started in Japanese magazine MAG-X, which claimed Lexus would use their 2UR-GSE 5.0L V8 to create the spiritual successor to the original IS F. Motor Trend followed up with a report suggesting it would instead be powered by the LS 500’s 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6. Given the IS 500 nameplate over the IS F, the TTV6 seems a more likely option.

The enthusiast community has been unimpressed with the latest IS refresh, mostly due to a lack of powertrain upgrades. This makes a IS 500 a step in the right direction if Lexus want to start winning back loyalists.

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Looks like 3rd extensive facelift. So same powertrains. But it is not like ES powertrains are mindblowing either. I think the most important change this IS will bring is the interior (that I like but many find outdated). Yes, no high-performance engines, but compared to the common, 4 cylinder A4/C Class/3 Series, what do those have more/better?

At least we can put to rest one of the many "Future IS" rumors, the one that there is none coming in the near term. What about the one after this one though? Haha...
 

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So "New" gives it away that it will be mild refresh because typically manufacturers use "All New" for a complete model overhaul announcement? Good thing Lexus didn't use "Like New" haha.

Maybe this will look more like the LS upfront and it's already looking like the UX in the rear.
 

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Looks like 3rd extensive facelift. So same powertrains. But it is not like ES powertrains are mindblowing either. I think the most important change this IS will bring is the interior (that I like but many find outdated). Yes, no high-performance engines, but compared to the common, 4 cylinder A4/C Class/3 Series, what do those have more/better?
M.P.G.

While we all sit here and want more power, the current IS engines are shamefully inefficient compared to the competition and it's something real shoppers do/will care about. It's nice that we're in an environment right now where oil is $30/barrel and premium is $2.40/gallon, but its extremely unlikely that prices will stay that low for much longer.

I'm not sure how you really compare the IS to the competition. When you look at price, performance and options:

IS 300 = A4 40 TFSI, 2 Series, A class, G70 2.0T

IS 350 = 330i, A4 45 TFSI, Mercedes C300, G70 2.0T, TLX 2.0T

The IS 350 no longer competes with the G70 3.3T, 340i, S4 or C43, TLX Type S, IMO, unless you're looking only at cylinder count.

... and this doesn't take into account the hack job IS 300 AWD with a 260hp GR V6 and 6AT with 18/24MPG. The 330i xDrive returns 25/34, the C300 4matic does 23/33 and the A4 45 TFSI quattro does 24/32.
 

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At least North America may now be getting a hybrid version for the 3.3IS.

I was in Taiwan in December and majority of the IS I saw there were hybrids.
 

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At least North America may now be getting a hybrid version for the 3.3IS.

I was in Taiwan in December and majority of the IS I saw there were hybrids.
That could be one very redeeming thing about this refresh, if true.
 

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Don't put your hopes up for a powertrain update. The 2GR-FKS was introduced in 2015, so it's a 'new' engine by Lexus standards. The 8AR-FTS is similarly 'new'.

The 2.4T engine is way too important so I am certain it will launch on an equally important model like the NX.

So "New" gives it away that it will be mild refresh because typically manufacturers use "All New" for a complete model overhaul announcement? Good thing Lexus didn't use "Like New" haha.

Maybe this will look more like the LS upfront and it's already looking like the UX in the rear.
The 2016 facelift was called the 'New IS'. On the other hand, the original 2013 IS was also called 'New IS'.
 

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I just wish they thought to add more power to this IS and maybe they will (doubtful). I always thought the IS looked so sporty but in the engine department lacked that extra HP. I'm sure this "New" IS will look the part but will it be the part? We'll see soon I guess. Hey at least we are getting some news from Lexus!
 

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Pulling over from the other IS thread and updating slightly: My prediction for USA:

- Same car, heavy refresh with new bumpers, exterior lighting and an updated interior a la 2014 LS 460
- 2.0T 8AR-FTS on all models (carryover) "IS 300"
- 2GR-FKS V6 available only on the F Sport model "IS 350 F-Sport"
- New infotainment (Carplay, AA, Alexa) as part of the interior refresh
- Latest Lexus safety systems added
- Some suspension changes so they can claim it's the best driver's car in the segment as teased in their announcement this morning
- Some new colors and new wheels
/end scene
 

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@Gecko , ok
I have no problem with FL, but for God sake, why they created the GA-L & GA-N, if they won't use them !!!

for those will corrected me that the Century, LS & LC are on GA-L & Crown are on GA-N

Those 4 are rare selling vehicles, and they need a lot of time to return back both GA variants R&D
 

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@Gecko , ok
I have no problem with FL, but for God sake, why they created the GA-L & GA-N, if they won't use them !!!

for those will corrected me that the Century, LS & LC are on GA-L & Crown are on GA-N

Those 4 are rare selling vehicles, and they need a lot of time to return back both GA variants R&D
The Century is based on the LS600hL so it's an old platform. The wheelbase is the same 3090mm.

'Why did we create GA-N?' is probably a question Lexus engineers ask themselves. Most products they can build on it have been cancelled and it will not be converted into an EV platform. The answer is probably 'we delayed so many products to the point any new ones are outdated from Day 1 so let's concede defeat and focus on E-TNGA for the next gen'.
 

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The Century is based on the LS600hL so it's an old platform. The wheelbase is the same 3090mm.

'Why did we create GA-N?' is probably a question Lexus engineers ask themselves. Most products they can build on it have been cancelled and it will not be converted into an EV platform. The answer is probably 'we delayed so many products to the point any new ones are outdated from Day 1 so let's concede defeat and focus on E-TNGA for the next gen'.
This is exactly my thought as well. I think GA-N and GA-L were created at and for a different time, and are probably not very relevant for Toyota going forward with market shifts and economic pressures. It's either that or there will be new products on those platforms that we don't know about yet. Longer term, I'd love to see RX, ES and RC on either of the RWD platforms, but not sure that's realistic.

GA-N for Crown and Mirai, and GA-L for LC, LS and LF-1 just doesn't seem feasible as a long term investment, IMO. Especially in the era where AWD and batteries become the great equalizers.
 

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Question in the Lexus infotainment in general, which ones with CP/AA have touch screens?

I find it weird to find out that for some other car manufacturers, they don't have a touch screen interface. Our 16RAV4's infotainment screen, although crude, is touch-screen based. There is no mouse pointer to mess around but then the system is so old that there's no need to go deep down as three or four sublevels.
 

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One of the two will be the new IS hybrid. What could the other one be?
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If there is a powertrain update it will be the hybrid. The old 2AR-FSE system is discontinued with EOL of GS300h and keeping a limited production run just for the IS300h no longer makes sense. It's more reasonable to share the Crown hybrid's A25A-FXS system since that is now cheaper to build than the old system.
 
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