Lexus Trademarks LX 600 Nameplate in USA

Posted by Kevin on October 16th, 2019

Lexus has trademarked the LX 600 nameplate in the USA, giving rise to both a more powerful drivetrain and an upcoming next-generation model of the flagship SUV.

A safe bet for the 600 engine would be the long-rumored twin-turbo 4.0L V8 expected to power the LC F high-performance coupe. Speculation puts the engine at 600 horsepower and 500-lb-ft of torque.

Current rumors put the debut of an all-new LX SUV some time in 2020, though new information suggests that a 2022 launch may be more likely.

(The LX 600 nameplate was filed on October 10, 2019 with the United States Patent & Trademark Office under serial #88649672.)

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Will1991
suxeL said
or there just following their new naming scheme of rounding up....

LS460->LS500
LX570->LX600
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It's a really old engine... Even by Toyota's standard of (sometimes) keeping things running too long, they shouldn't go for the LC300.
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I have a feeling the upcoming LQ is really the next Gen LX...
Carmaker1
Horus468 said
I have a feeling the upcoming LQ is really the next Gen LX...
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That's almost where my mind went as well, but I have to confirm if that is even plausible. Likely not.
Just let people know Toyota typically files trademarks 24 to 30 months ahead of launch. Or 2-3 model years ahead. Definitely a 2023 model!
CRSKTN
Horus468 said
I have a feeling the upcoming LQ is really the next Gen LX...
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Bit random, but the LQ trademark was probably to do with the Toyota LQ L4 autonomous concept they have early revealed for TMS.

Not sure how that impacts the thinking, but if there aren't any other trademarks, maybe GX stays as a lone BOF option?
Carmaker1
We have to wait and see. I'm hoping someone discusses the Next Generation Land Cruiser 300 (at their own time), because the news I heard...wowza.
Carmaker1
CRSKTN said
Bit random, but the LQ trademark was probably to do with the Toyota LQ L4 autonomous concept they have early revealed for TMS.

Not sure how that impacts the thinking, but if there aren't any other trademarks, maybe GX stays as a lone BOF option?
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Yes I knew that once we saw the L4 concept. Now already questioning the lack of LF-1 trademarks, I wonder what if that is the new LX? LX 600 is at the very least a V8 engine of some sort.
CRSKTN
Carmaker1 said
We have to wait and see. I'm hoping someone discusses the Next Generation Land Cruiser 300 (at their own time), because the news I heard...wowza.
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You can't just drop cryptic stuff and leave us in the dark!šŸ„ŗ
Carmaker1
CRSKTN said
You can't just drop cryptic stuff and leave us in the dark!šŸ„ŗ
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Sorry, I don't really want to give away what someone else acquired themselves and works here. This is the only individual who has told me this about the Land Cruiser and until I find my own source independent of them, I can't really post what they gave me out of immense respect.
Carmaker1
Case in example, Toyota filed ES 300h trade marks in December 2010 for a car they launched in September 2012 as a 2013 model

NX trademarks were filed in October 2012, for a vehicle that entered production in July 2014 (US launch Nov 2014)

RC 350 filed November 2012, RC-F filed January 2013. Launched November 2014.

LC 500 filed November 2014, launched May 2017. (delayed from January 2017 launch)

LS 500h filed May 2015, launched January 2018; LS 500 filed August 2015, launched Feb 2018. (delayed from Q3 2017 launch)
CRSKTN
Carmaker1 said
Sorry, I don't really want to give away what someone else acquired themselves and works here. This is the only individual who has told me this about the Land Cruiser and until I find my own source independent of them, I can't really post what they gave me out of immense respect.
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I get it, i'm just teasing. I've seen you hint at plenty in the past, it just drives me crazy out of curiosity.
You work in/around the industry, is that right (don't need details, obviously)?

Thanks for the insights, I really hope we see the LF-1 sooner than later, it would check all my boxes :(
Carmaker1
On that note, a conversation with another member gives me the impression that the LX also going to be something very special! Thks ******! It's very different now!

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Ian Schmidt
Horus468 said
I have a feeling the upcoming LQ is really the next Gen LX...
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Replacing the LX with the LF-1 makes perfect sense for the US market if they don't also cancel the Land Cruiser. Then the new LX would be a genuine Lexus flagship instead of a rebadge (albeit a rebadge of a well respected Toyota). Most LX customers would probably prefer the CUV ride and handling, and those who need full BOF capability can slide on over to a Toyota dealer.
Carmaker1
CRSKTN said
I get it, i'm just teasing. I've seen you hint at plenty in the past, it just drives me crazy out of curiosity.
You work in/around the industry, is that right (don't need details, obviously)?

Thanks for the insights, I really hope we see the LF-1 sooner than later, it would check all my boxes :(
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Thanks for understanding. The information for these vehicles are from users on here. If they don't mind, I'll share. I didn't gather this on my own or through my own contacts. They did at least. šŸ˜‰
CRSKTN
Carmaker1 said
Thanks for understanding. The information for these vehicles are from users on here. If they don't mind, I'll share. I didn't gather this on my own or through my own contacts. They did at least. šŸ˜‰
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So I am gonna pretend I don't have the original text of your prior comment in my inbox...

I hope we see Toyota's experience with hybrid power systems pay off in new, more exciting applications.

One other thing, a little while ago there were reports of two LC 500s being tested with a near production LC convertible, but photogs said they heard turbos and a deep engine note on the two, as well as different seats.

The question I had at the time was whether or not it was normal for a testing platform for a new performance vehicle to not be camouflaged, and more interestingly it seems like it fit within the standard envelop of the LC 500.

Now I am wondering if the 600 moniker will be LX only, or if we will see LS 600 and LC 600? Maybe as an AMG 45 esque middle child under the full blown F models?

Total conjecture, but it seems like there is a chance for something unexpected.
Carmaker1
CRSKTN said
So I am gonna pretend I don't have the original text of your prior comment in my inbox...

I hope we see Toyota's experience with hybrid power systems pay off in new, more exciting applications.

One other thing, a little while ago there were reports of two LC 500s being tested with a near production LC convertible, but photogs said they heard turbos and a deep engine note on the two, as well as different seats.

The question I had at the time was whether or not it was normal for a testing platform for a new performance vehicle to not be camouflaged, and more interestingly it seems like it fit within the standard envelop of the LC 500.

Now I am wondering if the 600 moniker will be LX only, or if we will see LS 600 and LC 600? Maybe as an AMG 45 esque middle child under the full blown F models?

Total conjecture, but it seems like there is a chance for something unexpected.
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Like the case with the Lexus LC 500 Coupe using the 2UR-GSE F engine, it is likely that the LX 600 will use the F V8 engine meant for the LC-F. The only thing that could contradict me, as I was contradicted with the V6 LS 500, is the possibility again of a twin turbo V6 hybrid. Such a vehicle would deserve the LX 550 name plate but knowing Lexus nowadays who knows. A TTV6 hybrid doesn't deserve 200ccs worth of nomenclature.
Carmaker1
Okay scratch that. Lexus still uses suffixes for hybrid and diesel variant so knowing that information this is definitely a non hybrid vehicle. It's a V8 or V12 LXšŸ˜ LX 600.

A trademark for LX 500d was just filed on October 10th as well in Moldova. What the hell is going on LOL?
Carmaker1
Okay, forgive me *****, I am posting what you told me in confidence.

In 2018, a Toyota dealer conference attended by members of the land cruiser/LX design team in the highest sales region for the LX 570, mentioned that the next LX will be a huge departure from the current version.
"The new LX will feel and look like an entirely different vehicle that isn't related to the previous LX or LC in anyway, besides the name, no one would even figure out it's even in the same class as it's predecessor. It will be very luxurious, so think more along the lines of Bentley Bentayga instead of land cruiser based 4WD".

If that happens though, I feel like the fully loaded versions of the LC (NON-USA) will be the spiritual successor of the current LX.

I really refuse to take credit for this information because I did not gather it myself. Nor will I name the responsible party, for requested privacy.

As for the new Land Cruiser, think Heritage Edition, ultimate TRD Pro, and early 80-Series married in modern form, on GA-F.šŸ¤ I'll let our other trusted member mention it themselves in full.

The Sequoia, think nuevo Tundra and biggest offering.
Carmaker1
From an LX 570 owner online, named A. Jacobson

The LX grows to be more of a presence on the road as well as a more aspirational vehicle for established guests and conquest guests. With the discontinuation of the Land Cruiser on the Toyota side there is great opportunity to grow share.
Specification wise, the vehicle gains standard 22 in. wheels and a 3rd row that folds flat into the ground. The vehicle also transitions to a turbo motor with a 10 speed transmission, which allows Lexus to increase horsepower to over 400 and increase gas mileage over the current model. Interior wise, the vehicle adds two touchscreens for infotainment/climate controls.
Lastly, the vehicle will add an F-Sport model and Executive Model. The Executive package will allow for a 6'4 guest to sit in the back comfortable, with the seats in a lounge position. The Executive also includes a Lexus First, of phone mirroring on the RSES screens.
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The cancellation of Land Cruiser is not true by the way, but the information above is interesting and matches what 3 people have said to me this week. Maybe an LX 500 at 400 bhp is coming as well, then range topping LX 600? Good night, it's almost 3AM.
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Those two mysterious engines above the V35A...we know one of them is for the LC-F, but there hasn't been even a hint of what the second one is. They just keep adding to the suspense!
F1 Silver Arrows
Carmaker1 said
From an LX 570 owner online, named A. Jacobson



The cancellation of Land Cruiser is not true by the way, but the information above is interesting and matches what 3 people have said to me this week. Maybe an LX 500 at 400 bhp is coming as well, then range topping LX 600? Good night, it's almost 3AM.
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I bet the new "500" level motor will replace the LC and the LS engine. Their inconsistency is going to confuse a lot of current and interested customers.

I have a gut feeling that we may see the LC getting the TTV6 in the 500 guise, but we have a "550" with the V8. Having 3 separate engines in 3 different cars having the exact same nomenclature is dumb IMHO.

And just to clarify, no V12's right?
Trexus
Seems confusing. So will this new LX 600 be the LF-1 limitless or the Toyota Sequoia brought over to the Lexus side? From above from an LX owner named A. Jacobson states that this will grow in size, have 3 rows and have more horsepower. The LF-1 limitless seems too tight to have 3 rows. Not too long ago I suggested that Lexus keep the LX 570 based off the Landcruiser and bring the LX 570L based off the Sequoia. So maybe Lexus will have the LX 570 and the LX 600.
CRSKTN
Trexus said
Seems confusing. So will this new LX 600 be the LF-1 limitless or the Toyota Sequoia brought over to the Lexus side? From above from an LX owner named A. Jacobson states that this will grow in size, have 3 rows and have more horsepower. The LF-1 limitless seems too tight to have 3 rows. Not too long ago I suggested that Lexus keep the LX 570 based off the Landcruiser and bring the LX 570L based off the Sequoia. So maybe Lexus will have the LX 570 and the LX 600.
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If i had to guess, 500 = TTV6, 600 = TTV8 (low strung), F = TTV8 (high strung + hybrid?), but again conjecture.
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Will1991 said
It's a really old engine... Even by Toyota's standard of (sometimes) keeping things running too long, they shouldn't go for the LC300.
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Just to clarify I dont mean that they take the current models and rename them for a new MY. I meant that whenever said next generation, regardless of whats under the hood, theyre going to follow their trend of rounding up.

LS460 previous gen (4.6)
LS500 new gen (3.5 TT)

The rumor pieces available pointed to recently a hybrid V8 TT.

Another support of this setup was posted by someones public social accounts in some kind of recent dealer meeting where the Tundra would not be offered with a diesel, since there is a next generation powertrain coming with the tundra thats UBER powerful. I`d assume same modular frame, powertrain would be passed around.
Deusex
........so think more along the lines of Bentley Bentayga..... I was just checking out Bentayga few weeks ago at the dealer. Doesn't really looks than much luxuries than LX. Maybe 2020 will.
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Deusex said
........so think more along the lines of Bentley Bentayga..... I was just checking out Bentayga few weeks ago at the dealer. Doesn't really looks than much luxuries than LX. Maybe 2020 will.
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Has carplay.....tho :)
CRSKTN
suxeL said
Has carplay.....tho :)
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Nearly everything 2018/2019 onwards is either AA/CP backward compatible, or has it going forward (see RX 2020), I think.
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CRSKTN said
Nearly everything 2018/2019 onwards is either AA/CP backward compatible, or has it going forward (see RX 2020), I think.
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LX GX GS IS will not have either, unless internally this has changed

they rely on old gen 8 and 9 systems i believe
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Carmaker1 said
Okay, forgive me *****, I am posting what you told me in confidence.

In 2018, a Toyota dealer conference attended by members of the land cruiser/LX design team in the highest sales region for the LX 570, mentioned that the next LX will be a huge departure from the current version.
"The new LX will feel and look like an entirely different vehicle that isn't related to the previous LX or LC in anyway, besides the name, no one would even figure out it's even in the same class as it's predecessor. It will be very luxurious, so think more along the lines of Bentley Bentayga instead of land cruiser based 4WD".

If that happens though, I feel like the fully loaded versions of the LC (NON-USA) will be the spiritual successor of the current LX.

I really refuse to take credit for this information because I did not gather it myself. Nor will I name the responsible party, for requested privacy.

As for the new Land Cruiser, think Heritage Edition, ultimate TRD Pro, and early 80-Series married in modern form, on GA-F.šŸ¤ I'll let our other trusted member mention it themselves in full.

The Sequoia, think nuevo Tundra and biggest offering.
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So next gen LX is basically the LF-1 concept? Rwd unibody suv?
CRSKTN
Bluesuprarcf52 said
So next gen LX is basically the LF-1 concept? Rwd unibody suv?
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Seems like it, or at least the LX is a fundamentally different vehicle.
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CRSKTN said
Seems like it, or at least the LX is a fundamentally different vehicle.
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I hope then Lexus has two to three rwd unibody suvs in the line up then in the future.

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