Lexus RC F: First Generation

Introducing the Lexus RC F Track Edition & Updated 2020 RC F Coupe

Lexus RC F Track Edition

After all the spy shots and Nürburgring testing and carefully scripted teasers, the Lexus RC F Track Edition debuts today at the Detroit Auto Show alongside the updated 2020 RC F.

Right from the start, the RC F had style to burn — the coupe was well-suited to all the staples of the Lexus F brand: the massive front intakes, fender vents, and quad exhausts have always been a natural fit. With this latest update, Lexus has taken off the shackles and unleashed something spectacular with the RC F Track Edition.

Lexus RC F Track Edition & Standard

Hyped as the most powerful Lexus since the LFA, the RC F now has 472 horsepower (+5hp) and 395 pound feet of torque (+6 lb ft) while the Track Edition loses 176 pounds of unsprung weight. Add in the new launch control feature, and the RC F Track Edition hits 0-to-60mph in less than 4.0 seconds.

Lexus RC F Track Edition Rear

Both editions of the RC F deserve our through attention, so let’s start off with the full press release and all the official images.


  • Refreshed 2020 Lexus RC F boasts improved performance and updated design
  • New 2020 RC F Track Edition offers exclusive upgrades designed for hard core enthusiasts
  • New launch control feature delivers 0-to-60mph time of less than 4.0 seconds on Track Edition

DETROIT, MI – January 14th, 2019 – Freshly updated for the 2020 model year, the RC F coupe now boasts improved performance, revised styling and an all-new, limited production Track Edition. With the introduction of the RC F Track Edition, hard core driving enthusiasts no longer have to decide between a luxury car for the street and a serious performance car for the track. Blending the luxury and craftsmanship of Lexus with performance upgrades typically reserved for exotic sportscars, the RC F Track Edition is capable of turning hot laps all afternoon and being driven home that night. It’s the latest milestone for the F performance brand that will continue to evolve as an important pillar of the overall strategy at Lexus.

The Track Edition joins the standard Lexus RC F performance coupe which has been extensively updated for the 2020 model year. Improved aerodynamics, reduced weight, a retuned suspension and enhanced styling elevate the RC F to a new level of performance and refinement.

“The new RCF and the Track Edition, in particular, benefit from constant development since their original launch. With the latest improvements, these models help further distinguish the F brand by offering fast, durable, highly capable performance cars that rely on a range of technologies to help make their performance accessible to drivers of all skill levels,” said Koji Sato, Executive Vice President, Lexus International.

The 2020 Lexus RC F coupe gets a wide range of changes designed to boost its performance and freshen its overall look. One of the first targets for the engineers was reducing weight without compromising the coupe’s sense of refinement and solidity. At the rear, hollow half shafts are now used in place of the previous solid shafts while up front a pared down intake manifold and a smaller air conditioning compressor remove weight from the front of the car. Changing to aluminum for the toe control brackets and upper suspension support brackets also reduces weight while maintaining stiffness.

To further refine the feel of the RC F, there are now stiffer bushings for the rear suspension arms and steering rack mounts. More rigid engine mounts were also used to better transmit the power of the RC F’s normally aspirated 5.0-liter V8, one of the last such engines available in a luxury coupe. It’s now rated at 472 horsepower (+5hp) and 395 pound feet of torque (+6 lb ft) thanks to a revised intake routing and lower rpm trigger point for the secondary intake opening (2,800 rpm vs 3,600rpm). An eight-speed automatic transmission carries over, but a higher final drive ratio (3.13 vs 2.93) has been installed to improve off-the-line response.

For the ultimate in standing start acceleration, the RC F now includes electronic launch control as standard. With a push of the button on the console, the system automatically adjusts the traction and throttle control for maximum acceleration from a stop. All the driver has to do is press and hold the brake pedal, engage the system, floor the accelerator to bring up the engine speed and release the brake. Using the system results in a 0-to-60mph time of just 4.2 seconds.

Additional performance gains are delivered by new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires designed specifically for the RC F. Compared to the standard Michelin specifications, the tires on the RC F utilize a unique profile shape, tread pattern and rubber compound. The changes are specifically designed to reduce understeer, improve overall lateral grip and increase durability under extreme conditions.

RC F Track Edition: A Higher Degree of F


There are also subtle but substantive changes to the styling of the RC F that add familial traits to further refine its aggressive overall shape. Up front, the headlights have been updated to a design that features stacked LED lights and integrated daytime running lights. The shape of the signature grille has been altered by adding a lower lip opening that stretches across the bottom to create a visually shorter front fascia. At the rear of the car, new taillights integrate neatly into a reshaped bumper to give the RC F a cleaner, more chiseled appearance.

More than a mere accessories package, the limited production RC F Track Edition features a precisely engineered set of upgrades that work together seamlessly to push its performance to a new level. Developed with input from Lexus race teams in the Super GT and IMSA series, the Track Edition is designed to deliver exceptional performance that enthusiasts can easily exploit in a wide variety of conditions.

Achieving that level of predictable performance was made possible by rigorous engineering and the assembly precision of Takumi masters who oversee production of every RC F. All aspects of the car were scrutinized for improvement, but the Track Edition doesn’t forego refinement for all-out speed. It remains an uncompromised luxury performance coupe with the ability to impress both on the track and off.

A Smoother Shape and a Precise Diet


One key area of improvement is the RC F Track Edition’s aerodynamic signature. Up front, the unique lower spoiler is not only made from carbon fiber to reduce weight, it’s also designed to increase front end downforce for better grip and more precise steering. At the rear of the car, a fixed rear wing made from carbon fiber replaces the active spoiler offered on the standard RC F. The fixed wing is not only lighter, it does double duty by simultaneously reducing drag and adding downforce.

To accomplish that paradoxical feat, the engineers started by shaping the wing in a way that smooths the airflow over the rear of the car to decrease drag-inducing turbulence. They then added a very slight angle of attack to produce downforce without compromising the overall airflow. The result is up to 58 pounds of additional downforce compared to the active rear spoiler.

Like the standard model, weight reduction was a key area of focus for the Track Edition. Preliminary estimates put the total reduction at 176 pounds compared to the previous RC F, but more importantly, the engineers focused on cutting weight that yields the most significant dynamic improvements. This led to keying in on unsprung weight since any weight that can be removed from the mass not supported by the suspension pays huge dividends in handling and steering feel.

With that goal in mind, every Track Edition model is upgraded with Brembo carbon ceramic brake rotors. They are not only significantly lighter than their steel counterparts, they’re also better able to withstand the extreme heat cycling associated with performance driving. They are surrounded by a set of lightweight 19” BBS forged alloy wheels that feature a design derived from the RC F GT3 race car. Between the wheels, brake rotors and calipers, the Track Edition boasts a significant 55-pound reduction in unsprung weight on the front of the car alone.

Additional weight was removed by specifying carbon fiber for the roof and hood along with switching to a carbon fiber partition behind the rear seats and a carbon bumper reinforcement. Many of these carbon fiber pieces are made on the same line that supplied the Lexus LFA during its two-year production run. A standard titanium muffler and tail pipes is yet another area where the Track Edition sheds weight. Rarely seen on production cars, the use of titanium not only reduces the overall weight of the individual parts, it gives the Track Edition a polished look along with a unique sound.

That sound is worth enhancing, too, as the Track Edition uses the same 472hp, normally aspirated 5.0- liter V8 found in every 2020 RC F. In fact, when combined with the Track Edition’s reduced curb weight, this RC F has the best power-to-weight ratio among its competitors. Couple that with the new electronic launch control system, and the RC F Track Edition is capable of launching from 0-to-60 mph in 3.96 seconds.

In order to give the Track Edition a more exclusive look on the inside, a red leather interior comes standard along with Alcantara seat accents and red carbon trim on the doors and dashboard. Only two exterior colors will be available: Ultra White and Matte Nebula Gray, an exclusive color only available on the Track Edition.

Both the 2020 Lexus RC F and the RC F Track Edition will start production in the second quarter of 2019. Pricing will be announced closer to their on-sale dates.

Comments
Gecko
Overall, I am very impressed with this car. A lot of effort and R&D went into this refresh, which is awesome for such a low volume car in a market that's bullish on SUVs.

I'll just say it: RC F Track Edition > Supra. :eyes:
Okay no. Just no. That Supra is an order of magnitude better than the RC F (of any guise) in ANY considerable aspect. The truth must be said. And this is the truth.
F1 Silver Arrows
Okay no. Just no. That Supra is an order of magnitude better than the RC F (of any guise) in ANY considerable aspect. The truth must be said. And this is the truth.


How do you figure?
That interior is hot, hot, hot! Nice retro-Lexus touches too - the vents and clock look like they're out of the 4LS, and the HVAC panel looks like the one in the original SC.
Gecko


How do you figure?
$50,000 for a BMW styled by Toyota, with 335hp. I have no idea why some people seem to lose their minds around thinking about the Supra, and as much as I love the old one, I just don't see what's special about the new one.

The idea that it's somehow better than an RCF in every way is ludicrous though. Some people show their bias' clearly.
F1 Silver Arrows
Okay no. Just no. That Supra is an order of magnitude better than the RC F (of any guise) in ANY considerable aspect. The truth must be said. And this is the truth.
How did you arrive to that conclusion? Supra is a great car, but RCF is significantly more expensive so it must be better in order to justify all of that extra cost.
Faisal Sheikh
How did you arrive to that conclusion? Supra is a great car, but RCF is significantly more expensive so it must be better in order to justify all of that extra cost.
By his logic, the Supra is a more luxurious, more well appointed, better built, more reliable (bmw parts), car.

It reminds me of the mindless, broad strokes claims that you see people like trump supporters make.
CRSKTN
By his logic, the Supra is a more luxurious, more well appointed, better built, more reliable (bmw parts), car.

It reminds me of the mindless, broad strokes claims that you see people like trump supporters make.
Let’s keep politics out of this please some of us might see the other side that way.
Let's keep politics, name calling and personal attacks out of this thread, please. I have PM'ed CRSKTN and asked him to amend that post.

Thanks.
Gecko
Let's keep politics, name calling and personal attacks out of this thread, please. I have PM'ed CRSKTN and asked him to amend that post.

Thanks.
Also I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people saying either the Supra or the RCF is better. They both will have their fans and honestly I’m proud of both Lexus and Toyota coming out with sporty cars on the same day! That’s sweet! We ain’t the boring company now are we?? Lol keep it up both of you!
Totally agree. Let's sit back and realize that Toyota/Lexus debuted THREE - T H R E E - sports/GT cars at NAIAS, given the current market conditions, given falling segment share, given the softening economy. That is AMAZING, no matter which one you personally like or don't.
James
Also I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people saying either the Supra or the RCF is better. They both will have their fans and honestly I’m proud of both Lexus and Toyota coming out with sporty cars on the same day! That’s sweet! We ain’t the boring company now are we?? Lol keep it up both of you!
If he had been reasonable I don't think anyone would have objected, but this is what he posted:

F1 Silver Arrows
Okay no. Just no. That Supra is an order of magnitude better than the RC F (of any guise) in ANY considerable aspect.
Emphasis is theirs, not mine. That's a ridiculous assertion.
Damn. I love both versions but man the Track interior is awesome.

@krew, your original article from this morning said it has 72 hp.
Gecko
Totally agree. Let's sit back and realize that Toyota/Lexus debuted THREE - T H R E E - sports/GT cars at NAIAS, given the current market conditions, given falling segment share, given the softening economy. That is AMAZING, no matter which one you personally like or don't.
Agreed. Consumers have a lot of options these days, I think this sort of stuff is very compelling.

In recent years it seems like Lexus has been making more of an effort to be viewed as a lifestyle brand. The recent yacht which had a buyer shortly after being announced, probably reinforced that there is something there.

I think it's a reflection of the (potential) next 100 years of change in transportation. As shared vehicle options increase, and with automation making driving dynamics a fundamentally different issue in the long term, combined with other forms of transportation becoming economically viable alternatives to car ownership, how do they retain mindshare necessary to build their brand and remain competitive?

Embedding yourself into people's lives in other ways is one route.

Rambling aside, what this probably means is more exciting stuff in the near to mid term as the company leverages their brand to sell you some future Toyota "simple living" style household accessories or Lexus branded (and I mean different than the off the shelf dealer gear) products, and events. Others may know better but I imagine they already do this to a large extent.

Combined with the inevitable size reductions that will be pursued in electric systems, cars are going to be a much different thing compared to today. Very exciting to see it all materialize.
With 60 or so being made that just makes me horny...... lol....

I can't wait to see it in person and now am kicking myself in the head for not going to Detroit...
All right I will stay cool and whoever made personal jabs is happy they pulled back their words or else it wouldn't be pretty. I will discuss with Gecko only because it seems like some new members *COUGHS* @CRSKTN don't know what they're talking about. I'll let it slide this time.

I don't feel like making sentences so I will speak via a list.

1. Infinitely more modifiable (downpipe and an average tunes takes this thing to 400whp).

2. It is extremely lighter than any RC F.

3. The RC F Track Edition is the final form of the RC F before it bows out for this generation (however not the Supra ;))) ).

4. @Faisal Sheikh I know we do disagree on this but in terms of platforms, the Supra platform is more taut and more planted than the RC F's platform. The platform is lighter, more rigid and is a lot more dialed in (in terms of balance).

5. There is a extremely high chance for a stick. Unlike the RC F.

6. Almost an extension of number 3, but we took the BMW CLAR platform (not going to call it a Z4 platform because it was codeveloped) and the engine and we can outsource them later. Who says we can't build a Toyota engine out of that? All we needed was a stupidly good block at the bottom end and everything else it can be done by Gazoo Racing/Toyota. Toyota wasn't going to spend a billion dollars on an engine. If you see fangirls screaming about that fact, roll your eyes, scoff at their idiocy and leave them to be by themselves. If you actually are feeling nice, comment why thats not true.

7. There is a lot more riding on this car (in terms of expectations) than any other Toyota/Lexus product. Ever. Maybe Some Lexus products like the LS, GS, IS, LFA, F cars.

8. And if you guys don't think it's better than the RC F now, ultimately it will. Toyota will not be leaving the Supra alone like it did with the FRS/GT86/86. They will be injecting so much R&D cash and intel into the Supra like never before.


This is just part of why I believe it is better (and if you guys don't think it is, it will be better than the RC F very soon). This is the dawn of a new legend. Just, please trust Toyota this time. They never skimped on the fundamentals of a sports car.
I never thought I'd live to see this day. The numbers don't disappoint.
None of that supports your argument "Supra is better in every way than any variant of the RCF" because it isn't. I will leave it at that.

p.s. Its final test weight with all fluids will be over 3500+ lbs (dry weight is 3384 lbs). It is light, but not "extremely light".

F1 Silver Arrows
All right I will stay cool and whoever made personal jabs is happy they pulled back their words or else it wouldn't be pretty. I will discuss with Gecko only because it seems like some new members *COUGHS* @CRSKTN don't know what they're talking about. I'll let it slide this time.

I don't feel like making sentences so I will speak via a list.

1. Infinitely more modifiable (downpipe and an average tunes takes this thing to 400whp).

2. It is extremely lighter than any RC F.

3. The RC F Track Edition is the final form of the RC F before it bows out for this generation (however not the Supra ;))) ).

4. @Faisal Sheikh I know we do disagree on this but in terms of platforms, the Supra platform is more taut and more planted than the RC F's platform. The platform is lighter, more rigid and is a lot more dialed in (in terms of balance).

5. There is a extremely high chance for a stick. Unlike the RC F.

6. Almost an extension of number 3, but we took the BMW CLAR platform (not going to call it a Z4 platform because it was codeveloped) and the engine and we can outsource them later. Who says we can't build a Toyota engine out of that? All we needed was a stupidly good block at the bottom end and everything else it can be done by Gazoo Racing/Toyota. Toyota wasn't going to spend a billion dollars on an engine. If you see fangirls screaming about that fact, roll your eyes, scoff at their idiocy and leave them to be by themselves. If you actually are feeling nice, comment why thats not true.

7. There is a lot more riding on this car (in terms of expectations) than any other Toyota/Lexus product. Ever. Maybe Some Lexus products like the LS, GS, IS, LFA, F cars.

8. And if you guys don't think it's better than the RC F now, ultimately it will. Toyota will not be leaving the Supra alone like it did with the FRS/GT86/86. They will be injecting so much R&D cash and intel into the Supra like never before.


This is just part of why I believe it is better (and if you guys don't think it is, it will be better than the RC F very soon). This is the dawn of a new legend. Just, please trust Toyota this time. They never skimped on the fundamentals of a sports car.
I would love to see your reasoning why it isn't! Do not take offence to anything! I am genuinely curious.
F1 Silver Arrows
I would love to see your reasoning why it isn't! Do not take offence to anything! I am genuinely curious.
Based on what is known so far

- 140 more horsepower/Much faster acceleration
- More luxurious/premium even the track edition with more exotic materials
- V8 high-revving sound/response
- Don't have to sacrifice practicality (even the track edition has the same backseats)
my issue with the track edition is the lack of "focus". I get it they want to have a car that is good for both on and off the track. But isn't that what the RC-F should be? I'd go so far to say that the RC-F should have all the upgrades made to the track edition (minus that hideous rear wing and put in something mechanical like the LF-A) and call that a day. For me (as a pure enthusiast with no mechanical knowledge whatsoever) the track edition should be extra hardcore. That means getting rid of a torque converter automatic and having a single or dual or manual clutch transmission, getting rid of the back seats, getting rid of some sound deadening, getting rid of some luxuries such as motorised seats (if there are any)...it should cut out at least 150kg. Not 65.

Now im not saying the track edition is not a great car. But I just see it as a missed opportunity. I also get that journos will forever bash the weight of the donor car (despite it being pretty much just as quick as a bog standard M3 around a track) and then bash something else when the weight is gone but that is beside the point. I believe a track edition should be hardcore.
Faisal Sheikh
Based on what is known so far

- 140 more horsepower/Much faster acceleration
- More luxurious/premium even the track edition with more exotic materials
- V8 high-revving sound/response
- Don't have to sacrifice practicality (even the track edition has the same backseats)
I can immediately debunk your first and your last points quick. I can sorta do the same with your second and third point. But your response is great!

I just thought of something smart recently. So everyone here in Lexus Enthusiast, think of it like this. This Supra that we all saw is like the BASE MkIV Supra (2JZ-GE which made 220 hp) has 340 (I honestly think this is underrated as hell or there is something odd going on) horsepower. Imagine if it had more power and torque like the Supra Turbo? That's what the GRMN/alpha/Motomachi car will be like. It will kick the RC F's ass. By the way, "much faster acceleration"? Come on bro they're exactly the same. Like exactly the same. The Supra is actually faster.

Now regarding it being more luxurious I cannot deny that whatsoever, but I don't even consider that because that's not what the Supra is trying to be. It is premium (because Supra) and it has plenty of exotic materials and high-level engineering (because race car).

I feel like I am one of the few in the world who LOVES six-cylinder engines. You have to be honest discussing sound isn't a really good metric in terms of performance and objectivity. The B58 and the future variations of the Supra are pretty damn responsive. I know subjective opinion is also big as well, but we're talking about competition here.

The Supra has a great boot. It is practical. Definitely not as practical as the RC F but what do you expect it is a much smaller car right?

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Do you see where I am coming from now? While your 2nd, 3rd and 4th arguments are very valid, in the grand scheme of sports cars, I personally don't feel that they're strong enough to say it is better than the Supra as a whole. However I must commend you that was a good rebuttal.
GoHuskers
Damn. I love both versions but man the Track interior is awesome.

@krew, your original article from this morning said it has 72 hp.
LOL, fixed.

thtupid
my issue with the track edition is the lack of "focus". I get it they want to have a car that is good for both on and off the track. But isn't that what the RC-F should be? I'd go so far to say that the RC-F should have all the upgrades made to the track edition (minus that hideous rear wing and put in something mechanical like the LF-A) and call that a day. For me (as a pure enthusiast with no mechanical knowledge whatsoever) the track edition should be extra hardcore. That means getting rid of a torque converter automatic and having a single or dual or manual clutch transmission, getting rid of the back seats, getting rid of some sound deadening, getting rid of some luxuries such as motorised seats (if there are any)...it should cut out at least 150kg. Not 65.
My thoughts echo this, in that I wonder if the Track Edition should have instead been a series of options to the standard RC F. Honestly, though, the market is likely higher for the full package rather than piecemeal upgrades.

I asked the RC F chief engineer if they had considered removing the back seats, and he explained that there was a specific weight reduction they were targeting as the optimal balance between performance and comfort -- that ended up being the 176lbs, no more no less.
Your post is ridiculous. What do you drive out of curiosity? What is the 0-150 mph. Is it quicker than 24 seconds? No chance in hell. 1/4 mile time of a Supra? Is it better than 12.5 seconds? Does it trap 114 - 115 mph? You are basically saying, a car with E46 M3 power-to-weight ratio is quicker than a car with 8.5 lbs/HP.


Again, you are wasting other people's time with your biased fanboism.


F1 Silver Arrows
I can immediately debunk your first and your last points quick. I can sorta do the same with your second and third point. But your response is great!

I just thought of something smart recently. So everyone here in Lexus Enthusiast, think of it like this. This Supra that we all saw is like the BASE MkIV Supra (2JZ-GE which made 220 hp) has 340 (I honestly think this is underrated as hell or there is something odd going on) horsepower. Imagine if it had more power and torque like the Supra Turbo? That's what the GRMN/alpha/Motomachi car will be like. It will kick the RC F's ass. By the way, "much faster acceleration"? Come on bro they're exactly the same. Like exactly the same. The Supra is actually faster.

Now regarding it being more luxurious I cannot deny that whatsoever, but I don't even consider that because that's not what the Supra is trying to be. It is premium (because Supra) and it has plenty of exotic materials and high-level engineering (because race car).

I feel like I am one of the few in the world who LOVES six-cylinder engines. You have to be honest discussing sound isn't a really good metric in terms of performance and objectivity. The B58 and the future variations of the Supra are pretty damn responsive. I know subjective opinion is also big as well, but we're talking about competition here.

The Supra has a great boot. It is practical. Definitely not as practical as the RC F but what do you expect it is a much smaller car right?

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Do you see where I am coming from now? While your 2nd, 3rd and 4th arguments are very valid, in the grand scheme of sports cars, I personally don't feel that they're strong enough to say it is better than the Supra as a whole. However I must commend you, that was a good rebuttal.

I like friendly discussions so you may go on if you please. :)
I'm not sure the RC's back seats are practical in any form :cool:

In the Supra's favor, the driving dynamics of the BMW version have been universally praised, and you inherit all the BMW tweakability that they're known for (and that Toyota/Lexus isn't).

Both cars will have bystanders literally dropping whatever they're doing to take pictures!
They actually are. I have a baby seat in the back. Groceries and even adults of average size can fit in the back without much issues.

Ian Schmidt
I'm not sure the RC's back seats are practical in any form :cool:

In the Supra's favor, the driving dynamics of the BMW version have been universally praised, and you inherit all the BMW tweakability that they're known for (and that Toyota/Lexus isn't).

Both cars will have bystanders literally dropping whatever they're doing to take pictures!
Ian Schmidt
I'm not sure the RC's back seats are practical in any form :cool:

In the Supra's favor, the driving dynamics of the BMW version have been universally praised, and you inherit all the BMW tweakability that they're known for (and that Toyota/Lexus isn't).

Both cars will have bystanders literally dropping whatever they're doing to take pictures!
Faisal Sheikh
Your post is ridiculous. I own an RCF and know how quick it is relative to other cars. Your claim on the other hand, is based on what? What is the 0-150 mph.?Is it quicker than 24 seconds? 0 - 200 km/h better than 14.5 seconds? 1/4 mile time of a Supra? Is it better than 12.5 seconds? Does it trap 114 - 115 mph? You are basically saying, a car with E46 M3 power-to-weight ratio is quicker than a car with 8.5 lbs/HP. At higher speeds, it is all about raw horsepower, gearing and aero.

This video is an example of a fast, big and technical track where the RCF with Christian Menzel in both around the track hits 235 km/h VMAX while the M2 with 365 HP/3400 lbs hits 225 km/h VMAX




I don't see why you have to get so worked up over this? I clearly asked you not to because I am trying to engage a friendly discussion based on facts. What you're mentioning above about speed times is something that the Supra hasn't been able to show us yet. It will hold it's own. I knew your bias would play a factor (and I cannot blame you whatsoever). The only argument that I can give you right now (not in a few years) is that it makes a lot of raw power helping its power to weight ratio. However we all know that aerodynamics is much more cohesive on the Supra (the engineers kept mentioning this) and the ZF auto has way faster gearing ratio (note I didn't say shift speeds) in other cars than the RC F's automatic. The biggest issue with the 8-speed (and even the 10-speed) is that the gearing ratios were always incorrect from the get-go, something that has been remedied with the Track Edition.

Everything that I am telling you right now is based on facts, on what has been said officially and performance measurements as well. I am not trying to induce an argument. We're a community and this isn't how we are conducting things. If you saw me being harsh before that is because it was at someone who is saying things just to get attention or they were throwing a personal jab.

I think it's better to say that we should wait. However I stand by my opinion that the Supra (and the GRMN/alpha car) will be a way more cohesive sports car. Because that's its purpose. To be a sports car. The RC F is an amazing GT like the M4/C63. The fact that a GT car will do a better job than a sports car is questionable in my humble opinion.

While the RC F in my opinion has a few demerits as an F car, there is no way I would take away the credit it deserves as a great luxury grand touring sports car. They're in completely different classes.

@mikeavelli and others said something very beautiful recently. Is that in such a crazy SUV market. In what is arguable one of the biggest shows in the world, all of Toyota/Lexus' reveals were all coupes. That's absolutely mind blowing.

That just goes for show how good they are as a company.
^^^

It is because you are so smitten by Supra that you are not willing to look at objective facts.

Again, I am not going to waste my time because you clearly don't understand fast cars. The fact that you somehow think gearing magically will overcome a huge power-to-weight ratio deficit, is ridiculous. That is not how gearing works. The M2 example illustrates a car with similar size and better power to weight ratio, being slower by 10 km/h on a fast technical track.

Supra stock out of the box will not be anywhere close to the RCF as I stated above at high speeds. You can take it to the bank. I will be sure to check back with you. 0-60 mph? sure 1/4 mile? probably a few tenths off? over 100 mph? no way. This is coming from someone who owns a fast car.
F1 Silver Arrows
I think it's better to say that we should wait. However I stand by my opinion that the Supra (and the GRMN/alpha car) will be a way more cohesive sports car. Because that's its purpose. To be a sports car. The RC F is an amazing GT like the M4/C63. The fact that a GT car will do a better job than a sports car is questionable in my humble opinion.
Just to be clear, the 2020 Supra is a GT car - by Toyota's own admission.

Like its 1990s predecessor, the 2020 Supra will be equipped as a premium GT, with a deft balance of function and premium comfort and convenience features.
Source: Toyota Pressroom - A Legend Returns: 2020 Toyota Supra Makes World Debut
Faisal Sheikh
^^^

It is because you are so smitten by Supra that you are not willing to look at objective facts.

Again, I am not going to waste my time because you clearly don't understand fast cars. The fact that you somehow think gearing magically will overcome a huge power-to-weight ratio deficit, is ridiculous. That is not how gearing works. The M2 example illustrates a car with similar size and better power to weight ratio, being slower by 10 km/h on a fast technical track.

Supra stock out of the box will not be anywhere close to the RCF as I stated above at high speeds. You can take it to the bank. I will be sure to check back with you. 0-60 mph? sure 1/4 mile? probably a few tenths off? over 100 mph? no way. This is coming from someone who owns a fast car.
I'm just going to back off because clearly you are upset and I don't want it to be that way. I respect you, so I will say this. Don't assume things man, the fact that you're jumping to assumptions about somebody is definitely not cool and it is untrue as well. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your comment because you're trying to blow off a lot of steam.

I think I'll just back outta these forums for a while because I feel like I may be hurting someone. I did say to someone in pm (may or may not be a mod ;)) that I will be here for the long run and you know who you are. To that guy, I will be here for the long run. I feel like a hiatus should in place for me because my intention is to never hurt anybody here.

I cannot wait for the next chapter to experience amazing. Goodbye for now. :)

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