Driving the All-New 2018 Lexus LS 500


Lexus Enthusiast editor Kevin Watts traveled to San Francisco, California, last week to test drive the all-new 2018 Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h hybrid. This is his personal impressions of the car, a full technical overview was posted last week.

I want to start off with a story. If you’ve been following Lexus Enthusiast for any time, it’s a story you’ve probably heard before, but it plays a big part into how I feel about the new fifth-generation LS flagship.

Rewind the clock back to 1998. I’m living in Toronto, Ontario, and I start seeing this blacked-out sedan cruising around my neighborhood. I’ve always been into luxury cars, but life has many paths and it’s been a while since something grabbed my attention.

I finally figure out the brand and badge, and it’s a new one to me: The Lexus LS 400. Up until this point, the only Lexus I know is the LX, which was a key vehicle for anyone listening to The Notorious BIG in those days.

Anyways, that LS 400 represents a turning point in my life. When I finally saved enough money to buy my first car eight years later, I did something completely insane and bought a 1994 LS 400. Shortly after, I started this website, where I have been writing about Lexus vehicles nearly every day for a full decade.

This is all to say that I am not impartial about the new Lexus LS. There are things that I like and things that I don’t, but this is my all-time favorite car. Consider this a disclaimer for what follows.


With ten years since the introduction of the last LS sedan, it feels unfair to compare old to new. Put side-by-side, the fifth-generation is sharper in every way — the design, the driving experience, even the point and purpose. Gone is the balanced approach of the LS 460, of trying to be all things to all people. The new LS is a car unafraid to make its opinions loud and clear.

Straight away, its presence is undeniable. The LS 500 is massive and sculpted, with the heft and detail of a fine watch. A intricate interpretation of the spindle grille makes up most of the car face, filled with a mesh designed by a single person over the course of six months:

Lexus LS Front

The outward points of spindle grille carry through the curves of the body, dipping down to create a similar pattern in the rear — this is my favorite design detail, and is best illustrated with this short video:

Another exterior highlight is the katana blade trim that starts at the front wheels and continues through to the rear bumper:

Lexus LS Side

If I have one complaint, it’s the tail lights and the way they slope toward the license plate — it gives the rear a pinched look that makes the trunk bulge:

Lexus LS Rear


When it comes to performance, let’s get one thing out of the way right quick — I have a hard time understanding people’s obsession with V8 engines, or the lack thereof. The new twin-turbo 416-horsepower V6 in the LS 500 is an absolute monster, and represents a quantum leap over any existing Lexus engine.

On paper, it matches up against the competition’s V8 offerings in straight line performance. Behind the wheel, the only way you could decipher the number of cylinders would be looking in the owner’s manual. There’s no discernible turbo lag and torque is near instantaneous, bringing with it an endless wave of power. With this much available acceleration, the horsepower number almost seems irrelevant.

In my opinion, this is a great engine. Case closed.

Lexus LS Engine

On the flip side, the driving experience can vary significantly. The combinations are endless, with all-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive and air suspensions and rear-steering — there wasn’t enough time in the day to try the LS in all its many iterations.

What I can say is this:

  • The LS 500 AWD is a rocket, firmly planted. It was the first car I drove, with the most variety in experience. Composed and isolating in rush hour traffic, strong and confident on the highway and in the curves. Exactly what you want in a full-size luxury sedan.
  • The LS 500 F SPORT, I don’t know, it was just crazy. Rear-wheel drive feels like such a luxury with my Canadian AWD sensibilities, and the effort of being a responsible adult weighed heavy in my time behind the wheel. In SPORT+ mode, the car compressed around me, and I had to fight to keep my speed down while powering through corners. A caged animal, just waiting to get into trouble.
  • After driving with the new twin-turbo V6 all day, the last vehicle of the day was an LS 500h equipped with the Executive package. The powertrain that works so well in the LC 500h didn’t have the same punch in the LS, and the multi-speed transmission felt a little jumpy. I believe it will take someone deeply invested in buying a hybrid to choose this over an LS 500.

Lexus LS Driving

Much has been made of the new safety systems, and for good reason. You are likely familiar with Lane Keep Assist and dynamic cruise control — these features are now standard across the Lexus lineup, and they’re very effective at reducing the mental burden of drivers.

The Lexus Safety System +A in the new LS is at a completely different level, like a protective bubble that surrounds the car. It never shows itself unless necessary, and in downtown San Francisco, those sensors and radars are very necessary. I avoided curbs, dodged cyclists, had the full experience of augmented braking while making a left turn. The LS felt like a partner, though just like any relationship, there’s a learning curve.

(In particular, I was a fan of the Lane Trace Assist, which locks you into your lane and keeps you there. This technology is a big leap forward.)


During his presentation, LS Chief Designer Koichi Suga showed a photo of this giant armchair, citing it as the inspiration for the seating:

Lexus LS Interior Seating

This was a central concept for the cabin, with arm rests that circle every seat comfortably:

Lexus LS Interior Concept

Let me just say, it works. The seats in the LS are wild — 28-way power adjustable, massage options in the front and back. Honestly, the pneumatic pressure massage in the driver’s seat touched me in ways I would never allow a human to replicate.

Material design is another strong point, with every surface luxurious and soft to the touch. The Kiriko glass and pleated fabric interior is textbook Lexus with its handmade story and attention to detail, but every interior combination had just the right amount of texture.

Lexus LS Interior

Where the LS cabin falls short is the Remote Touch controller and the Lexus infotainment system. This is the one area where Lexus should have embraced significant change, perhaps by adopting Apple Carplay or Android Auto. Instead, there is now an obvious black mark on an otherwise stellar interior. It’s not bad, but it’s not great. Honestly, the rest of the car deserves better.

Lexus LS Interior


When I heard the starting price of around $75,000 USD for the new LS, I was shocked. Like mouth gaping open, stunned with disbelief. For some context, this undercuts the outgoing long-wheelbase LS 460L by nearly $4,000 despite having more standard equipment and features. The equivalent BMW 7-Series and Mercedes S-Class can cost upwards to $25,000 more in the USA.

But the luxury market can get weird at times, and I’ve seen people arguing that this “value” pricing means Lexus has abandoned the top-tier flagship market.

I see it a different way — when the original LS 400 was introduced in 1989, it was positioned as a S-Class competitor but was priced like an E-Class. This was wildly successful, and the LS 400 kickstarted a transformation of what consumers expect from a luxury car.

Will this strategy work in 2018? It’s a tough call, but I don’t see how you could fault Lexus for trying something different.


My biggest takeaway from driving the new LS 500 & LS 500h? Lexus is done trying to match up inch-by-inch with its competitors.

Think of all the ways Lexus has gone against the grain with their new flagship — a V6 instead of a V8, a price well below expectations, a design that you either love or hate, assisted-driving instead of self-driving technology.

Having strong opinions is never safe, but Lexus has embraced their outsider status and are unafraid to stand apart from the crowd. The new 2018 LS is a singular experience, and I don’t believe Lexus would have it any other way.

Lexus LS: Fourth Generation
Comments
Black Dynamite
I wanted the LF-FC Concept to reach production. It looked far more expensive and had a visual grandeur this lacks. It was the better design, clearly.
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.

And as a long-time LS owner I'm getting a little salty about people advocating that Lexus price me out of the car. Lexus just does not have the brand image that Mercedes and BMW have and making the car more expensive for no reason isn't gonna help.
Black Dynamite
I wanted the LF-FC Concept to reach production. It looked far more expensive and had a visual grandeur this lacks. It was the better design, clearly.
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.

And as a long-time LS owner I'm getting a little salty about people advocating that Lexus price me out of the car. Lexus just does not have the brand image that Mercedes and BMW have and making the car more expensive for no reason isn't gonna help.
  • krew
  • September 26, 2017
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
  • krew
  • September 26, 2017
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
Chase C.
I have an Escort Passport X80 and a Max 360. Both go off around new Acura's, Genesis G80's, etc.
I have a 360 as well and it can be quite annoying. The K40 is great but expensive without laser shifters it might be closer to a 1000 but fully loaded it's a couple grand...if you can afford it worth it!

On the actual note of the LS car looks amazing and while aV8 is probably needed if they actually do an LSF I think they did this all perfect and hopefully reviews around stay positive!
Chase C.
I have an Escort Passport X80 and a Max 360. Both go off around new Acura's, Genesis G80's, etc.
I have a 360 as well and it can be quite annoying. The K40 is great but expensive without laser shifters it might be closer to a 1000 but fully loaded it's a couple grand...if you can afford it worth it!

On the actual note of the LS car looks amazing and while aV8 is probably needed if they actually do an LSF I think they did this all perfect and hopefully reviews around stay positive!
krew
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
That seems like a good decision. The reviews I have seen are brutal. I had no idea a comfortable and isolated ride would count against the car. It really boggles my mind. I'm also curious to know why people seemingly dismiss the new LS as a worthy competitor of the S-class without providing arguments to back it up. I'm looking forward to the reviews where people have had time to experience the car.

Speaking of brutal reviews. I'm looking forward to what Autobild is going to say. It's obvious that they will claim all German cars (including the Volkswagen Golf) are better in every way, but I'm more interested in how they will compare it to the offerings from Korea given how Hyundai/Kia keeps increasing their market share.
krew
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
That seems like a good decision. The reviews I have seen are brutal. I had no idea a comfortable and isolated ride would count against the car. It really boggles my mind. I'm also curious to know why people seemingly dismiss the new LS as a worthy competitor of the S-class without providing arguments to back it up. I'm looking forward to the reviews where people have had time to experience the car.

Speaking of brutal reviews. I'm looking forward to what Autobild is going to say. It's obvious that they will claim all German cars (including the Volkswagen Golf) are better in every way, but I'm more interested in how they will compare it to the offerings from Korea given how Hyundai/Kia keeps increasing their market share.
So far have heard mixed reviews about the car. But the conclusion they always arrive at is "the car is excellent". I think one of the reviewers said the driving impression was also done to get some of the complains found on the pre-production cars corrected before the production cars go on sale in February. I hope they are able to correct them. The run flat might be the cause of the road noise. I guess its a good way for dealers to make some extra money(Tire option LOL).
So far have heard mixed reviews about the car. But the conclusion they always arrive at is "the car is excellent". I think one of the reviewers said the driving impression was also done to get some of the complains found on the pre-production cars corrected before the production cars go on sale in February. I hope they are able to correct them. The run flat might be the cause of the road noise. I guess its a good way for dealers to make some extra money(Tire option LOL).
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even more so for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even more so for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
Ian Schmidt
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production car is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
Ian Schmidt
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production car is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
Gecko
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even more so for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
+1
They are testing the water. I think the price is perfect. And there are still a lot of things that can be improve/added as time goes that would eventually bring the price up.
Gecko
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even more so for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
+1
They are testing the water. I think the price is perfect. And there are still a lot of things that can be improve/added as time goes that would eventually bring the price up.
Gecko
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production care is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
I agree. Considering how close the LS500 is to the LF-FC. The front would be easy to achieve it's the rear end that would be interesting to see how they execute it.
Gecko
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production care is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
I agree. Considering how close the LS500 is to the LF-FC. The front would be easy to achieve it's the rear end that would be interesting to see how they execute it.
  • krew
  • September 27, 2017
Hate to do this, but I can't believe this Autoblog review:

If you want to get into the more advanced safety tech, like front-cross-traffic alert, road-sign assist (the system can read speed limit and a few other road signs and display them to the driver), and a clever auto-steering assist to avoid pedestrians in the lane — you have to opt for the Lexus Safety System+ A (advanced) package.

We asked numerous Lexus representatives why the more advanced system wasn't offered standard on their flagship car, but never really received a satisfying response. Considering that Volvo offers tech that's nearly as advanced on its mid-$30,000's S60 sedan, we don't know that we can forgive Lexus here.
The Volvo S60 has an optional Technology package that costs $3,500 and adds the safety features that comes standard in the LS (along with pedestrian detection & road sign recognition). It does not actively avoid collisions with pedestrians or use the preceding car to draw a path to follow on the road, for instance. It does not include a massive heads-up display that provides information directly in your field of view.

The stereo is tremendous, and the climate control settings can basically be ignored thanks to an ingenious feature called Lexus Concierge that automatically manages the climate settings, including heating and cooling the seats as necessary. But the infotainment system is so terrible and difficult to use that it makes it difficult to recommend the car at all.

It doesn't have to be this way, Lexus. You have a fantastic luxury car here. And you've nearly ruined it with this stupid touchpad. Why?

Lexus thinks it can sell around 12,000 LS cars per month, snagging some 15 percent of the luxury sedan market. It made an aggressive case to us that there was a value proposition in the car, starting significantly below the S-Class, 7 Series, and A8 — but we wonder how much of a difference price really makes to someone spending more than $75,000 on an executive sedan.

To be sure, the Japanese style, especially of the interior, will help the new LS stand out from the Germans a little bit, and that alone will help move some units. But as nice as the new Lexus LS is, we're hard-pressed to come up with a reason why you would buy it over an S-Class without mentioning price. And if you're trying to be price-competitive around $80,000, you're probably in for a tough time.
  1. There's complaining about Remote Touch, and then there's Autoblog. To be clear, this writer suggests that the infotainment system is so bad that he can't recommend the car. I understand the annoyance, but Remote Touch is not that bad. Being this attached to your phone and its accompanying distraction tells me this guy should probably just Uber his way around.
  2. If Lexus sold 12,000 LS 500s a month, it would likely "snag" 100% of the large luxury sedan market.
  3. I'm pretty sure people that buy $75,000+ cars still care about getting value for their money. Guy has a distorted idea about the management of wealth.
  • krew
  • September 27, 2017
Hate to do this, but I can't believe this Autoblog review:

If you want to get into the more advanced safety tech, like front-cross-traffic alert, road-sign assist (the system can read speed limit and a few other road signs and display them to the driver), and a clever auto-steering assist to avoid pedestrians in the lane — you have to opt for the Lexus Safety System+ A (advanced) package.

We asked numerous Lexus representatives why the more advanced system wasn't offered standard on their flagship car, but never really received a satisfying response. Considering that Volvo offers tech that's nearly as advanced on its mid-$30,000's S60 sedan, we don't know that we can forgive Lexus here.
The Volvo S60 has an optional Technology package that costs $3,500 and adds the safety features that comes standard in the LS (along with pedestrian detection & road sign recognition). It does not actively avoid collisions with pedestrians or use the preceding car to draw a path to follow on the road, for instance. It does not include a massive heads-up display that provides information directly in your field of view.

The stereo is tremendous, and the climate control settings can basically be ignored thanks to an ingenious feature called Lexus Concierge that automatically manages the climate settings, including heating and cooling the seats as necessary. But the infotainment system is so terrible and difficult to use that it makes it difficult to recommend the car at all.

It doesn't have to be this way, Lexus. You have a fantastic luxury car here. And you've nearly ruined it with this stupid touchpad. Why?

Lexus thinks it can sell around 12,000 LS cars per month, snagging some 15 percent of the luxury sedan market. It made an aggressive case to us that there was a value proposition in the car, starting significantly below the S-Class, 7 Series, and A8 — but we wonder how much of a difference price really makes to someone spending more than $75,000 on an executive sedan.

To be sure, the Japanese style, especially of the interior, will help the new LS stand out from the Germans a little bit, and that alone will help move some units. But as nice as the new Lexus LS is, we're hard-pressed to come up with a reason why you would buy it over an S-Class without mentioning price. And if you're trying to be price-competitive around $80,000, you're probably in for a tough time.
  1. There's complaining about Remote Touch, and then there's Autoblog. To be clear, this writer suggests that the infotainment system is so bad that he can't recommend the car. I understand the annoyance, but Remote Touch is not that bad. Being this attached to your phone and its accompanying distraction tells me this guy should probably just Uber his way around.
  2. If Lexus sold 12,000 LS 500s a month, it would likely "snag" 100% of the large luxury sedan market.
  3. I'm pretty sure people that buy $75,000+ cars still care about getting value for their money. Guy has a distorted idea about the management of wealth.
krew
I'm pretty sure people that buy $75,000+ cars still care about getting value for their money. Guy has a distorted idea about the management of wealth.
+1. The answer to "Why do you drive an LS to Aldi?" is "That's why I can afford the LS".
krew
I'm pretty sure people that buy $75,000+ cars still care about getting value for their money. Guy has a distorted idea about the management of wealth.
+1. The answer to "Why do you drive an LS to Aldi?" is "That's why I can afford the LS".
  • krew
  • September 27, 2017
Review Roundup: The 2018 Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h

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A collection of the best reviews of the new Lexus flagship.
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  • krew
  • September 27, 2017
Review Roundup: The 2018 Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h

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A collection of the best reviews of the new Lexus flagship.
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Its funny he said the touch pad is so bad considering most reviewers said it has improved when compared to the first version. its funny how Mercedes command is somewhat similar to it and I haven't seen any complaint about it. I don't know if anyone here has used the Vaistech/beat sonic device in any of there Lexus before. I will take a system that works like that over any android/apple car play. A system Like that would make you appreciate the touch pad better too.
Its funny he said the touch pad is so bad considering most reviewers said it has improved when compared to the first version. its funny how Mercedes command is somewhat similar to it and I haven't seen any complaint about it. I don't know if anyone here has used the Vaistech/beat sonic device in any of there Lexus before. I will take a system that works like that over any android/apple car play. A system Like that would make you appreciate the touch pad better too.
krew
Hate to do this, but I can't believe this Autoblog review:



The Volvo S60 has an optional Technology package that costs $3,500 and adds the safety features that comes standard in the LS (along with pedestrian detection & road sign recognition). It does not actively avoid collisions with pedestrians or use the preceding car to draw a path to follow on the road, for instance. It does not include a massive heads-up display that provides information directly in your field of view.
It is hard to understand these things... Actually Volvo S60 basic system has less features that what Toyota includes in their cheapest cars like Yaris as base equipment. And its high end system is more like Camry system (thats free).

At the same time, AB will likely do a PR about new A8 and it is level 3 system thats not available for another year, while most of their lineup has less safety features than base Yaris. It is doing disservice to their readers that depend on them for their purchase decisions, and this is about safety too.
krew
Hate to do this, but I can't believe this Autoblog review:



The Volvo S60 has an optional Technology package that costs $3,500 and adds the safety features that comes standard in the LS (along with pedestrian detection & road sign recognition). It does not actively avoid collisions with pedestrians or use the preceding car to draw a path to follow on the road, for instance. It does not include a massive heads-up display that provides information directly in your field of view.
It is hard to understand these things... Actually Volvo S60 basic system has less features that what Toyota includes in their cheapest cars like Yaris as base equipment. And its high end system is more like Camry system (thats free).

At the same time, AB will likely do a PR about new A8 and it is level 3 system thats not available for another year, while most of their lineup has less safety features than base Yaris. It is doing disservice to their readers that depend on them for their purchase decisions, and this is about safety too.

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