The 2018 Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h: A Technical Review


Lexus Enthusiast editor Kevin Watts traveled to San Francisco to test drive the all-new 2018 Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h hybrid. Here is a full technical overview of the new flagship sedan, Kevin’s personal impressions will be posted later this week.

The Lexus LS is the sedan that started a brand.

After five years of development and over $1 billion dollars spent, the LS 400 and the Lexus brand were introduced at the Detroit Motor Show in 1989. With its advanced technology, bullet-proof reliability and value price, the LS transformed the luxury automotive industry for the better.

From that point, the LS has set the tone for Lexus — the second-generation LS arrived in 1994 as an improved carbon copy of the original, the LS 430 in 2000 was the ultimate expression of luxury and reliability, and the 2006 fourth-generation LS 460 helped establish the Lexus L-Finesse design language that reinvented the brand.

Lexus LS Generations

And then, outside of a carryover update in 2012, the character of the LS has gone completely silent.

In a matter of months, the fifth-generation LS flagship will begin arriving at dealerships. Expectations are sky-high, and the danger of disappointment has been compounded by the sedan’s extensive development cycle and its importance in the lineup.

How does this new LS stack up, not just to its competitors, but to the heritage established in 1989? Let’s take a deep dive into all things LS, free of personal opinion. Here are the facts.

Exterior Design


Tasked with developing a concept for the next-generation LS flagship, Chief Designer Koichi Suga created hundreds of tiny sketches on post-it notes:

Lexus LS Design Sketches

Eventually, Suga hit on the idea of portraying the four wheels as fireballs, this set up the design theme as “Forged from Passion”:

Lexus LS Fireballs

“In the new LS, the sketches were drawn with an emphasis on a flowing silhouette and large tires,” explained Suga. “We wanted to pursue designing flowing pillars, while keeping this idea. To achieve that, the pillars were pushed backwards by adding a piece of glass.”

It was important that the LS silhouette create a sense of unity between the cabin and the body, similar to the LC:

Lexus LS Design Sketches 2

The spindle grille is at the very core of the LS — no longer just ornamentation, but a thread that runs through the entire design:

I would be remiss not to throw in this full 360° video, just as way to see the entire vehicle:

Exterior vehicle lighting builds on the current trend of incorporating the Lexus L pattern — a triple LED headlight has lines like light sabers, and the same theme is repeated in the rear:

Lexus LS Headlights

Lexus LS Rear Lights

F SPORT

The LS F SPORT package for the new LS has an exclusive front mesh grille design, along with black plating applied to grille frame, rocker molding accents and trunk lip:

Lexus LS F SPORT Front

Lexus LS F SPORT Rear

Panoramic Glass Roof

A panoramic glass roof will be available, with a front glass panel that extends out and slides to the rear:

Lexus LS Panoramic Glass Roof

The front and rear parts of the roof are painted black to match the glass, and the rear glass panel is a couple inches wider for a more expansive rear seat view.

Wheels

The LS will be available with five wheels — four newly developed designs and one 20-inch forged wheel design that is shared with the LC:

Lexus LS Wheel Options

Three of the wheels are designed to suppress road noise — this is accomplished using a hollow section in the rim that resonates with the air in the tires, causing friction and converting sound waves to heat.

Lexus LS Noise Reduction Wheels

Power Trunk

There’s also an available hands-free power trunk feature that activates when it detects a foot under the rear bumper:

Lexus LS Rear Trunk

Interior


The inside of the Lexus LS is infused with concept of Omotenashi, or the Japanese way of hospitality, of going beyond what is necessary to please a customer or guest.

The interior design revolves around the seats, which were made to mimic the comfort of a plush armchair with its substantial armrests:

Lexus LS Arm Rests

The sweeping lines of the dashboard was inspired by chasen bamboo whisk used in Japanese tea ceremonies:

Lexus LS Lines

The LS Interior lighting was also derived from Japanese tradition, this time using the soft Andon lights to create a warm, comforting environment:

Lexus LS Interior Lighting

Japanese Takumi craftsmanship played a strong role in the material design inside the new LS — here’s a video showing the creation of the pleated fabric door panels and Kiriko Glass trim:

Seating

Great improvements have been made to the seating in the new LS, and it all starts with the available 28-way adjustable front seats:

Lexus LS 28-Way Front Seats

As seen in the illustration, electric motors have been combined with a pneumatic system for control of the entire seat. Basic adjustments are made using the usual side switches, but the seat can be fine-tuned using the multimedia display.

  • Side of seat: Sliding, reclining, lifter and tilting, variable cushion length, lumbar support front and back movement, lumbar support up and down movement
  • Display: Lumbar support front and back movement, lumbar support up and down movement, headrest up and down movement, headrest front and back movement, back pelvis support, hip support, shoulder support, back side support, cushion side support, front refresh function

The front seats also allow for easy entry & exit, with an automatic raising and lowering of the seat. The outside thigh bolster will even compress so as not to get in the way.

Beyond this excess customization, Lexus has taken the front seats one step further by adding an available massaging option:

Lexus LS Massaging Seats

The system uses a series of air bladders to apply pressure from the thighs to the shoulders — there are two full-body massages and three options that target specific areas, with each program scaling five intensity levels and lasting about 15 minutes.

Like the previous LS, there’s plenty of luxury in the rear seats as well:

Lexus LS Rear Seats

The passenger-side ottoman seat provides additional recline and a power leg rest, with 22-way adjustment using the same electric motor/pneumatic system as the front:

Lexus LS Rear Ottoman

Controls are embedded in the central armrest touchpad, along with settings for audio, climate, sunshade, and lamps:

Lexus LS Rear Arm Rest

Lexus LS 500 Engine & Transmission


The fifth-generation Lexus LS will debut the V35A-FTS twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V6 developed specifically for the new flagship.

Lexus LS Twin Turbo Engine

The new engine puts out 416 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque, and represents a major upgrade over the outgoing 4.6L V8 of the current model. In terms of raw information, here’s the point form:

  • DOHC 24-valve twin turbocharged V6 with intake VVT-iE and exhaust VVT-i continuously Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and D-4S direct-to-cylinder injection system plus secondary port injectors
  • Displacement: 3444 cm (210.2 cubic inches)
  • Bore x stroke: 88.5mm x 100mm (3.37 inches x 3.94 inches)
  • 416 horsepower @ 6000 rpm (310 kW, 421 ps)
  • 442 lb.-ft. of torque @ 1600-4800 rpm (600 Nm, 61.2 kg-m)
  • Flat torque curve from 1,600 RPM to 4,800 RPM

There’s even a diagram:

Lexus LS V6 Engine Details

In building the V35A-FTS, engineers turned to Toyota’s shuttered F1 program and ongoing race efforts in World Rally Championship and World Endurance-Racing Championship. The result was a major redesign of the intake ports, including an increased valve angle and the use of laser-clad intake valve seats in the cylinder heads — here’s a video demonstration comparing old and new:

The LS 500 marks the first time twin turbochargers have been used in a Lexus vehicle. Rather than outsourcing the tech, the system was designed and produced in-house to ensure LS flagship levels of performance and quiet operation.

Lexus LS Twin Turbo

Compared to a conventional turbocharger, the V35A-FTS uses a longer turbine with curved blades, ensuring consistent turbo boost and availability even at low engine speeds. The system is controlled by a proprietary electric-actuator wastegate — an electric wastegate valve is used to control turbocharger boost, output, fuel economy, and emission performance, while a motorized actuator is used to control the opening and closing of the valve.

A new version of the Lexus D-4S gasoline direct injection plus port injection system was developed for the TTV6 — called D-4ST, it controls new six hole direct injectors and the port fuel injectors. To reduce lag, twin water-to-air intercoolers are mounted on top of the engine, directly between the turbochargers and intake throttle.

Remarkable powertrain smoothness, a Lexus hallmark, begins deep inside the cylinder block, where a ladder frame support for the crankshaft main bearings adds rigidity for low vibration. Redesigned engine mounts, the electric wastegates and numerous other features also contribute to the engine’s ultra-smooth demeanor.

As for fuel economy — the rear-wheel drive LS will get City 19 mpg/ Highway 29 mpg/ Combined 23 mpg, while the all-wheel drive model will rate at City 18 mpg/ Highway 27 mpg/ Combined 21 mpg.

LS 500 Transmission

The LS 500 uses the same 10-speed direct-shift automatic transmission that debuted in LC coupe:

Lexus LS Transmission

Despite having two more gears, the new transmission weighs the same as the outgoing 8-speed gearbox — this was done by using aluminum for the clutch drum, clutch hub and planetary carrier, along with a resin plastic oil pan.

The engine and transmission are directly connected via torque converter lockup control, which is only disabled during acceleration from a stop.

Built into the transmission is AI-Shift Control, an artificial intelligence module that will hold or shift a gear depending on the driver’s prior history, current acceleration, braking and lateral-g forces. There are also steering wheel shifter paddles on every LS model.

Lexus LS 500h Powertrain


The LS 500h shares the same Multi-Stage Hybrid system from LC 500h, and its goal is to bring a new level of performance to hybrid technology:

Lexus LS 500h Engine

At the heart is the 8GR-FXS 3.5-liter, 24-valve, naturally aspirated V6 with dual intelligent variable valve timing, with 295 horsepower and 257 lb.ft of torque. The LS 500h also has an electric motor to boost power and improve efficiency, using a lithium-ion batteries rather than nickel–metal hydride:

Lexus LC Lithium Ion Battery

This new battery pack is 20% smaller and 44 pounds lighter than the unit used in the LS 600h, meaning less weight and more efficient use of space. It fits between the rear seats and the trunk, and has 84 battery cells producing 310.8 volts.

From here, things get trickier to explain — here’s a video from Lexus that explains how the transmission works in the Multi Stage Hybrid System:

If for any reason you’re unable to watch the video, here’s a convoluted explanation — the power coming from the V6 and the electric motor are amplified through a four-speed automatic transmission embedded inside a continuous variable transmission. This “dual” transmission provides stepped access to the torque generated by the electric motor, and recreates a 10-speed transmission with three virtual gears between each of the automatic transmission’s physical gears.

Suspension & Chassis


The new LS shares the GA-L chassis with the LC coupe, taking advantage of the lower profile and long-wheelbase to optimize the driving position, vehicle dimensions and vehicle mass:

Lexus GA-L Platform

When compared to the current LS, the new model is 15mm (0.6 inches) lower overall, with the hood about 30mm (1.2 inches) lower and the trunk 40mm (1.6 inches) lower.

The front tires were moved forward, while the driving position and twin-turbo V6 engine moved rearward. With the LS 500h, the hybrid battery was moved forward:

Lexus LS Weight Distribution

Overall weight distribution is 53/47 front/rear for the LS 500 and 51/49 for the LS 500h, while the center of gravity sits at 540mm — only 30mm, or 1.2-inches, higher than the LC coupe.

Let’s break down all the various weights of both the LS 500 & LS 500h:

Model Weight
LS 500 RWD with Air Suspension 4,751lb (2,155kg)
LS 500 RWD with Coils & AVS 4,707lb (2,135kg)
LS 500 AWD with Air Suspension 4,938lb (2,240kg)
LS 500 AWD with Coils & AVS 4,905lb (2,225kg)
LS 500 RWD with Executive Package 4,905lb (2,225kg)
LS 500 AWD with Executive Package 5,093lb (2,310kg)
LS 500h RWD with Air Suspension 4,883lb (2,215kg)
LS 500h RWD with Coils & AVS 4,850lb (2,200kg)
LS 500h AWD with Air Suspension 5,071lb (2,300kg)
LS 500h AWD with Coils & AVS 5,027lb (2,280kg)
LS 500h RWD with Executive Package 5,027lb (2,280kg)
LS 500h AWD with Executive Package 5,225lb (2,370kg)

Materials

Stamped aluminum was used for the hood, front fenders, doors and trunk lid:

Lexus LS Aluminum

Both the front and rear suspension towers are die-cast aluminum, which is approximately double the rigidity with 42% less weight at the front, and approximately 1.5 times the rigidity with 50% less weight at the rear:

Lexus LS Chassis Aluminum

Other chassis improvements were made, including the removal of the service holes connecting the front pillar & apron member, and joining the partition panel behind the rear seats with the rear floor cross member. i

To connect the aluminum and steel, Lexus engineers used adhesive and rivets for the joints, then applied sealant to the joints to prevent any rusting. Overall use of structural adhesive has been significantly increased — on the underbody alone, there is 32.8 meters of glue used, versus just 5 meters in current LS.

Aerodynamics

Aerodynamics is always a big part of how the overall design of a vehicle flows — here’s the profile for the new LS:

Lexus LS Aerodynamics

The front bumper has been shaped to allow air to pass along the sides of the vehicle, while the aero stabilizing fins in the door frame molding and rear combination lamps improve stability by directing the current.

The LS has flush side window glass, which reduces the turbulence that happens when air flows over uneven surfaces. The flagships is almost fully covered underneath — there are also vertical fins behind the rear tires to control the air and reduce drag:

Lexus LS Underbody

Coil Suspension

A new multilink front suspension is standard on the LS, with double ball joints on the upper and lower control arms:

Lexus LS Front Suspension

With all-wheel-drive models, the lower arm locations have been adjusted in the front suspension to enhance straight-line stability and comfort.

The LC coupe multilink rear suspension has been adopted by the LS, though with adjustments to the bushings for a more compliant ride:

Lexus LS Rear Suspension

Adaptive Variable Suspension

Lexus Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS) uses G force, yaw-rate and speed sensors to configure the suspension depending on road conditions and driving input.

AVS controls the shock absorber damping force on all four wheels, and with the LS, the system has had a major upgrade — the linear solenoid actuators are now capable of 650 distinct levels, up from 9 levels on the previous step motor.

Air Suspension

Air suspension is an available feature with the new LS, and it uses a closed system with compressed air stored in a pneumatic tank for faster height adjustment:

Lexus LS Air Suspension

This makes a new Access Mode possible, as the LS will automatically raise and lower to different heights depending on if occupants are entering or leaving the vehicle.

Brakes

The LS comes standard with opposed 4-piston front and 2-piston rear calipers, all made from a single piece of aluminum monoblock with spiral-ventilation. Measured out, the front are 357mm x 34mm (14.0 x 1.3-inch) and the rear are 335mm x 25mm (13.1 x .9-inches):

Lexus LS Brakes

The F SPORT package includes upgraded brakes, with opposed 6-piston front and 4-piston rear calipers also made from 1-piece aluminum monoblock with spiral-ventilation. Measurements are 400mm x 36mm (15.7 x 1.4-inch) in the front and 359mm x 30mm (14.1 x 1.2-ich) in the rear.

Run-Flat Tires

Run-flat tires are now standard, with reinforced rubber on the sidewalls that allow up to 100 miles (160 km) at 50 mph (80km/h) with a flat:

Lexus LS Run-Flat

Lexus LS models equipped with 19-inch wheels will have 245/50RF19 all season tires, while 20-inch wheels are 245/45RF20 all seasons. The F SPORT package comes standard with staggered 20-inch wheels — 245/45RF20 in the front and 275/40RF20 in the rear.

Tire brands will be a mix of Bridgestone, Dunlop, and Michelins.

F SPORT Performance Package


The LS 500 RWD F SPORT will be available with Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) Step 6, which boosts a world-first six types of vehicle movement — longitudinal, vertical, lateral, yaw, roll and pitch — based on acceleration, steering and braking inputs:

Lexus LS VDIM Step 6

VDIM Step 6 integrates all driving systems into a single response — most will be familiar, such as the Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Traction Control (TRAC/TRC). Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), and Electronic Power Steering (EPS). The final three systems deserve some explanation.

Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS)

Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS) adjusts the steering angle depending on vehicle speed and driver steering input — this enhances steering when turning and during lane changes, while boosting input at low speeds for quick maneuverability.

Lexus Dynamic Rear Steering (DRS)

Lexus Dynamic Rear Steering (DRS) debuted with the fourth-generation GS sedan in 2012, and this video from that launch is still the best explanation of the system:

Lexus Active Stabilizer System (LASS)

The final piece of the VDIM Step 6 system is an active stabilizer suspension, for suppressing vehicle roll without an adverse effect on ride comfort:

Lexus LS Active Stabilizer Front

Lexus LS Active Stabilizer Rear

These three systems work together to enhance driving performance — a slide from the Lexus presentation explains it best:

Lexus LS Lexus Dynamic Handling & Active Stabilizer Suspension

It takes seven separate technologies to form VDIM Step 6 — here’s a flowchart that shows how driver input is translated through the Engine Control Unit (ECU):

Lexus LS VDIM Step Six

Interior Technology


The driving experience starts with the instrument panel, which is an 8-inch TFT LCD display surrounded by stitched leather:

Lexus LS Instrument Panel

The F SPORT instrument panel looks directly lifted from the LFA supercar:

Lexus LS F SPORT Instrument Panel

Drive Mode Select

Both the LS 500 & LS 500h are equipped with the Lexus Drive Mode Select, the system than enables the driver to customize the vehicle dynamics — here’s a graphical breakdown of the different modes:

Lexus Drive Mode Select

Multimedia System

The flagship LS will introduce the next-generation Lexus multimedia system, which has been upgraded with new features and content — first off, the 12.3-inch high-resolution screen is standard:

Lexus LS Multimedia System

For the first time in a Lexus, a 4G LTE Data Communications Module (DCM) has been installed for data transmission. This allows for:

  • Dynamic Map Updates – Real-time map updates downloaded from the cloud.
  • Dynamic Routing – Navigation routes are now calculated using the most accurate and up-to-date routes and ETAs.
  • One Box POI – Points of Interest can now be found through more casual voice recognition, there are approximately 14 million POIs on board and 20 million in the cloud.

Lexus Enform

Lexus Enform® will now be complimentary for 10 years, even over different owner changes:

Lexus LS Enform

New with the LS is a wifi hotspot, which allows for five devices to use a shared data plan (more details forthcoming).

Heads-Up Display

A high-definition color Heads-Up Display (HUD) will be available on the new LS — measuring 600mm x 150mm (24-inch x 6-inch), it’s the largest in the premium large sedan class:

Lexus LS Heads-Up Display

The HUD image appears is projected 3 meters (9-feet, 10-inches) ahead of the driver, reducing the need to change focus between the display and objects in front of the vehicle. The TFT (Thin Film Transistor) backlight optical lens has a maximum brightness 13,000 candela per square meter (cd/m2) — this is 2,000 cd/m more than the current RX HUD.

Climate Control

An infrared matrix sensor system is used to accurately determine the heating and cooling requirements within the cabin, allowing for finer control of the interior temperature:

Lexus LS Climate Control

The number of temperature sensors has been increased to 16 from 6, providing a better mapping of the interior — this enables the air conditioning adjust for heat caused by uneven sunlight and chill from shadows.

Like other Lexus models, the LS will be available with Climate Concierge, a system that combines air conditioning, steering wheel heating, and seat fans & heaters to best serve every occupant’s desired temperature:

Lexus LS Climate Concierge

Remote Touch

The Lexus Remote Touch touchpad interface has been updated with a frameless design that’s 56% larger than the previous version, with a new sub function switch for access to additional menus and gesture controls familiar to smartphone users: Touch and drag, scrolling, pinch to zoom, and double-tap or press to click:

Lexus LS Remote Touch

Sound Systems

A Pioneer 12-speaker audio system is standard, and breaks down as such — there are two 18cm woofers in the front doors, two 16cm woofers in the rear doors, seven 9cm speakers disperse through the interior, and a subwoofer in the rear deck:

Lexus LS Pioneer Sound System

The optional Mark Levinson 3D QLI Reference Surround Sound System is a monster — it’s 7.1-channel surround sound though 23 speakers in 16 locations throughout the cabin (including dual 40mm in-ceiling speakers positioned above the seats), producing the equivalent of 2400 watts:

Lexus LS Mark Levinson Speaker System

The complexity of this system is insane — the ML system in the fifth-generation LS is the world’s first automotive use of Quantum Logic Immersion, which digitally separates audio into individual streams – vocals, instruments, and spatial sound information. These streams are then remixed throughout the LS to match the original arrangement of musicians on stage or in the studio, placing each sound in the area you would expect to hear it in a live performance.

The ML system also uses Clari-Fi technology, which helps to correct compressed digital music from streaming services and satellite radio or other broadcasts.

Exterior Colors


The Lexus LS will be available in 10 colors, with some available only on non-F SPORT models and Ultra White being F SPORT only:

Lexus LS Exterior Colors

Interior Colors


The standard Lexus LS will have five interior colors to choose from:

Lexus LS Standard Interior Colors

The Executive package will offer three interior colors, including an interior with black pleated door panels and laser-cut Kiriko glass:

Lexus LS Executive Interiors

Finally, the LS F SPORT will have two interior options — Black and Circuit Red:

Lexus LS F SPORT Interiors

Safety


Lexus Safety System+ is standard on every LS, and there is an advanced suite of features in a new optional package called Lexus Safety System+ Advanced — here’s how the features break down:

Lexus LS Safety System Plus

We’ve gone over the standard safety features in great detail before, so let’s focus on that first column — this upgraded system relies on an extended suite of cameras and sensors:

Lexus Safety System Radar

There are a number of world first technologies here, starting with the upgraded Pre-Collision System (PCS).

Pre-Collision System

Pre-Collision System (PCS) with Forward Collision Warning (FCW) and Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) with Active Steer is a mouthful to say and to explain — lucky for us, there’s a video that covers the system in full:

Pedestrian Alert is a world-first technology that can display the direction a pedestrian is walking on the color heads-up display. Added to that is another world first, Active Steering Assist, which automatically controls steering and braking to avoid possible collisions while staying inside the current lane.

Front Cross Traffic Alert

Front Cross-Traffic Alert uses front side radar sensors to detect approaching vehicles (including bicycles) that may cross the vehicle’s path:

Panoramic View Monitor

Also equipped is a Panoramic View Monitor, which displays the LS’ surroundings on the multimedia display by using cameras installed the front, the left and right outer mirrors, and the rear:

Lexus LS Panoramic View Monitor

There are five different modes to choose from:

  • Panoramic and Wide Front View provides a 180-degree view ahead of the vehicle using the front camera.
  • Panoramic and Side Clearance View uses images from the front & side cameras to show the vehicle from above and behind.
  • Panoramic and Cornering View displays an image from the rear of the vehicle to assist while cornering.
  • See-Through View an rotating eye-level view around the car, as if the LS was fully transparent.
  • Moving View displays a rotating bird’s eye image.

All-Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) with Full Speed Range

The first element of the new Lexus CoDrive system is an updated All-Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC). Using a new millimeter wave radar sensor, stereo camera sensor, yaw rate sensor and a steering sensor, the system can lock onto preceding vehicles and maintain a suitable distance.

Lexus LS Radar Cruise Control

There is now enhanced accuracy for preceding vehicle recognition, path detection and cut-in vehicle detection, and acceleration and deceleration control have been revised to provide a smoother experience.

There’s also a new “blinker-linked” control — when following a vehicle travelling slower than the set speed, signaling a lane change will initiate acceleration to assist with passing. This kicks at speeds of 70 km/h (44 mph) or greater, and will not activate if there is a car in the passing lane.

Lane Trace Assist

The second element of Lexus CoDrive is Lane Trace Assist, an upgraded version of Lane Keep Assist. This system provides improved lane marker detection, along with the ability to use vehicles ahead as a guide — here’s a video that does a great job at explaining the system:

To ensure the driver is actually driving, a capacitative sensor uses the existing heater wires to detect the electrical current of hands on the steering wheel.

For how this improves on Lane Keep Assist, here’s a handy chart:

Lexus LS Lane Keep Assist

Road Sign Assist

Lexus Safety System +A can also detect road signs using the front camera, displaying prominently on the multi-information display and HUD:

Lexus LS Road Sign Assist

(Displayed North American speed limit signs are based on navigation data.)

Parking Support Brake

Parking Support Alert (PKSA) integrates various systems — Intuitive Parking Assist/Clearance Sonar, Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA) and the world-first feature Rear Camera Detection (RCD) — to help drivers navigate parking lots:

Pop-Up Hood

As an additional safety measure, the LS employs a pop-up hood in the event of a front impact with a pedestrian — the hood uses a series of pistons that rapidly elevates the hood in hopes of lessening personal injury:

Lexus LS Pop-Up Hood

This concludes the technical overview of the Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h. Check back later this week for Kevin’s personal impressions! Our special thanks to Lexus USA for the invitation and hospitality during our trip to San Francisco.

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Comments
  • krew
  • September 26, 2017
Here is my technical overview of the 2018 LS -- I'm saving my personal impressions for later in the week, as a full tech breakdown can be really useful in reading the more opinionated reviews on other sites.

Post up any reviews you read, I'll be putting together a mega-post with the best of the best later on today.

Enjoy the day, only happens once with a new model!
  • mwyf
  • September 26, 2017
This new LS is a technological smorgasbord. But whilst it's a marvel, I feel like it's not category-revolutionary/-revolutionising like the original LS was. Still there is no denying that it's the pinnacle of luxury in its class (IMO).
C
Noooo, Lexus!! 24GHZ radar on the rear?? K band radar is 24GHZ and it makes radar detectors go nuts. You were one of the few to stay away from that for blind spot monitoring, unlike Acura/Honda, Buick, and Chrysler.
First video have seen and I think the guy was set to condemn the car even before he start the review.
Chase C.
Noooo, Lexus!! 24GHZ radar on the rear?? K band radar is 24GHZ and it makes radar detectors go nuts. You were one of the few to stay away from that for blind spot monitoring, unlike Acura/Honda, Buick, and Chrysler.
What kind of brand do you use? I think the fully installed K40 is able to block that. I know they changed technology because my father in laws car goes crazy w k band but mine which is newer does not go crazy w k band.
First video have seen
Second Video from Alex.
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James
What kind of brand do you use? I think the fully installed K40 is able to block that. I know they changed technology because my father in laws car goes crazy w k band but mine which is newer does not go crazy w k band.[
I have an Escort Passport X80 and a Max 360. Both go off around new Acura's, Genesis G80's, etc.
Generally good sentiments regarding the TTV6 which is promising.

Part of me is still wishing for a 4.0L turbocharged V8 making ~500hp under the ~600hp LS F. Why not?


Be sure to read the comments... lol.

F Sport in Manganese looks amazing.
  • krew
  • September 26, 2017

bogglo
Second Video from Alex.
This video is astounding -- amazing work from Alex.
Gecko


Be sure to read the comments... lol.

F Sport in Manganese looks amazing.
This was the first video I Was going to post. But the way he started his review I knew he was set to condemn the car. It was irritating.
B
1. That Maganese Luster looks like the best paint color. It takes a lot of the sporty edge off, and lets the design show through well.

2. This car has gained a lot of weight! Look up the current cars LWB weight and it is in the range of 300 lbs lighter. The current LS is one of the lightest cars in the segment. That said, it normally runs 6.0 0-60 when tested. How this cuts 25% off that with 300+ extra pounds is hard to believe. I guess we'll know the truth in future tests.

3. I like this, but I don't love it. It looks more like a stretched GS than a proper, conservative LS. I wanted the LF-FC Concept to reach production. It looked far more expensive and had a visual grandeur this lacks. It was the better design, clearly. This is sporty and youthful, relative to the German prestige class fare. It will get noticed, but will it jove with the 60+ demographic still buying such cars?

It is also interesting that Lexus avoids directly competing with the S-Class in power, or price. After 30 years, it comes across as fear, a lack of confidence. I expect more, at this point. If they had the concept's design, Lexus could go head-to-head with any S-Class and win. That was my dream, anyway. Oh well....

They will sell their 1000 units a month, then introduce the LSF model, with a TT 600HP V8 for $110k, and this generation will be generally a success story. It just will never be on the level of the Mercedes S-Class. It will never be the flagship of flagships. It will be a great "budget buy", a "smart money" option. My question is: When is Lexus going to be more than that? If not now, when?

Look at it this way. The S450, the V6-powered S-Class, costs $90 to start. It has 362 HP, a 9 speed transmission, is a half second slower and far less standard equipment. Why is Lexus charging $15k less for a car that, apples-to-apples, is a superior car, with more speed, power, and amenities? It comes across as afraid to compete, directly. That's my problem. I say grow a pair, and be that prestige brand, on par with the S-Class, not less than, but a better buy for the same $90k money? Unless you don't think you're worth it, or the market respects you enough.

I think they sell themselves short. After almost 30 years, why relegate yourself to second-tier in this class? No one else is doing it. Lexus is doing this to themselves.

I just question the vision of this model from the execs. They seem very happy to aim low with their greatest vehicle, and go after the lowest hanging fruit of the prestige class, and not let the LS be all that it can be. The LS was dreaming of looking like that LF-FC Concept car, and someone at Lexus said "Get back to scrubbing those prestige class floors, Cinderella!"

They hit a solid single up the middle when they needed to swing for fences, and have this new model propel the brand to new heights. And that is truly a shame.
BD
Oh come on! What a cover photo bait! There is no Ultrasonic Blue LS F-Sport in this video.
Sound system
enform app
The paint job on this car is so good.
Black Dynamite
I wanted the LF-FC Concept to reach production. It looked far more expensive and had a visual grandeur this lacks. It was the better design, clearly.
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.

And as a long-time LS owner I'm getting a little salty about people advocating that Lexus price me out of the car. Lexus just does not have the brand image that Mercedes and BMW have and making the car more expensive for no reason isn't gonna help.
  • krew
  • September 26, 2017
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
Chase C.
I have an Escort Passport X80 and a Max 360. Both go off around new Acura's, Genesis G80's, etc.
I have a 360 as well and it can be quite annoying. The K40 is great but expensive without laser shifters it might be closer to a 1000 but fully loaded it's a couple grand...if you can afford it worth it!

On the actual note of the LS car looks amazing and while aV8 is probably needed if they actually do an LSF I think they did this all perfect and hopefully reviews around stay positive!
krew
After reading reviews today, I decided to hold off on pulling together some recommended reading -- hopefully tomorrow turns up some more interesting takes.
That seems like a good decision. The reviews I have seen are brutal. I had no idea a comfortable and isolated ride would count against the car. It really boggles my mind. I'm also curious to know why people seemingly dismiss the new LS as a worthy competitor of the S-class without providing arguments to back it up. I'm looking forward to the reviews where people have had time to experience the car.

Speaking of brutal reviews. I'm looking forward to what Autobild is going to say. It's obvious that they will claim all German cars (including the Volkswagen Golf) are better in every way, but I'm more interested in how they will compare it to the offerings from Korea given how Hyundai/Kia keeps increasing their market share.
So far have heard mixed reviews about the car. But the conclusion they always arrive at is "the car is excellent". I think one of the reviewers said the driving impression was also done to get some of the complains found on the pre-production cars corrected before the production cars go on sale in February. I hope they are able to correct them. The run flat might be the cause of the road noise. I guess its a good way for dealers to make some extra money(Tire option LOL).
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even mores for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
Ian Schmidt
The LF-FC was designed *after* this LS. It is the concept for the *next* LS, not this one. You *will* see a production car with those cues, but it'll be in 2021 or so probably.
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production care is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
Gecko
Just a word on pricing. We all look at the price disparity between LS 500 and S Class and wonder why Lexus didn't go higher, are they cowering, etc.

The current LS 460 SWB - which is 90% of LS sales - started at $62k when new in 2007, and while it's now up to $72k base price, there are a lot of LS owners who hold onto their cars until the next all-new model arrives. The number of "$76,000" will probably be a bit of a shock for some of these folks and I think Lexus knows that.

Additionally, the sedan market is extremely soft right now, even more so for large flagship sedans. Pricing the car at $85,000 or $95,000 would have been a bad move for several reasons. Overall, this is a pretty big shift for the LS line and I think they played it conservatively with pricing to see what the reception would be like: the car drives completely different, looks completely different, has no V8 engine and is significantly longer than the car 90% of LS owners have historically purchased. Overall, this is relatively uncharted territory for Lexus and I think they're trying to appeal to a broad base of people despite the massive strategy shift.
+1
They are testing the water. I think the price is perfect. And there are still a lot of things that can be improve/added as time goes that would eventually bring the price up.
Gecko
My assumption is that the ~2021 LS refresh will end up looking quite a bit like the LF-FC... for all the reasons you mentioned above. Lexus has been doing this with several models, where the production care is a bit more conservative vs. the concept, and then come time for a refresh, we get deja vu.
I agree. Considering how close the LS500 is to the LF-FC. The front would be easy to achieve is the rear end that would be interesting to see how they execute it.
  • krew
  • September 27, 2017
Hate to do this, but I can't believe this Autoblog review:

If you want to get into the more advanced safety tech, like front-cross-traffic alert, road-sign assist (the system can read speed limit and a few other road signs and display them to the driver), and a clever auto-steering assist to avoid pedestrians in the lane — you have to opt for the Lexus Safety System+ A (advanced) package.

We asked numerous Lexus representatives why the more advanced system wasn't offered standard on their flagship car, but never really received a satisfying response. Considering that Volvo offers tech that's nearly as advanced on its mid-$30,000's S60 sedan, we don't know that we can forgive Lexus here.
The Volvo S60 has an optional Technology package that costs $3,500, which essentially adds the safety features that comes standard in the LS (along with pedestrian detection & road sign recognition). It does not actively avoid collisions with pedestrians or use the preceding to draw a path to follow on the road, for instance. It does not include a massive heads-up display that provides information directly in your field of view.

The stereo is tremendous, and the climate control settings can basically be ignored thanks to an ingenious feature called Lexus Concierge that automatically manages the climate settings, including heating and cooling the seats as necessary. But the infotainment system is so terrible and difficult to use that it makes it difficult to recommend the car at all.

It doesn't have to be this way, Lexus. You have a fantastic luxury car here. And you've nearly ruined it with this stupid touchpad. Why?

Lexus thinks it can sell around 12,000 LS cars per month, snagging some 15 percent of the luxury sedan market. It made an aggressive case to us that there was a value proposition in the car, starting significantly below the S-Class, 7 Series, and A8 — but we wonder how much of a difference price really makes to someone spending more than $75,000 on an executive sedan.

To be sure, the Japanese style, especially of the interior, will help the new LS stand out from the Germans a little bit, and that alone will help move some units. But as nice as the new Lexus LS is, we're hard-pressed to come up with a reason why you would buy it over an S-Class without mentioning price. And if you're trying to be price-competitive around $80,000, you're probably in for a tough time.
  1. There's complaining about Remote Touch, and then there's Autoblog. To be clear, this writer suggests that the infotainment system is so bad that he can't recommend the car. I understand the annoyance, but Remote Touch is not that bad. Being this attached to your phone and its accompanying distraction tells me this guy should probably just Uber his way around.
  2. If Lexus sold 12,000 LS 500s a month, it would likely "snag" 100% of large luxury sedan market.
  3. I'm pretty sure people that buy $75,000+ cars still care about getting value for their money. Guy has a distorted idea about the management of wealth.

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