More Lexus GS F Photos from Road & Track

No, not really. Not at all, actually.

We can be a little more patient on that guys ... Cause I found out that the ALL BRAND NEW ... Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale 2015 Has 4.7 litter V8 - 454HP, 384 lb.-ft. (0-100) in 4.5 seconds So what could be WORST?? XD Here is a VIDEO: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvIyYYlAcU To escape (1:53)

GOOD POINT! And the Maserati is heavier, too, which isn't surprising considering how big it really is.

When I see the tail lights, for some reason I'm reminded of a Tesla.

Haha No worries, but the effects of the taillights do make the car look like a Tesla. However, I can relate those taillights even further back to the Altezza lights.

6) I have a bone to pick with those taillights... I thought they were ugly when I first saw them but upon longer inspection.... they are really cool and I want to see how they illuminate reminds me of the Lexus IS300 lights. ultimately. A different set of performance wheels, lower suspension and a exhaust system pretty badass car. Wonder what other interior colors we can get

It's simple really, Lexus decided to rush things up........They couldn't even produce a proper M5 killer. At least call it the F-Sport instead to show face.

The Remote Touch controller actually is a step backward other than aesthetics. It is harder to point, compared to the slide controller which had positional representation on the menu. The execute click is also quite a push, and can also lead to adjustment of your intended menu selection. For this controller to be useful, it needs more tweaking.

Surely the production model will have the Remote Touch Interface, don't you think?

I Hope so, but why should Lexus hide it so far? Maybe the Navigation Screen is too big for the small Touchpad and it requires more than one slide to come from one side of the screen to the otherside? Otherwise the pad were too sensitive? I don't know it, just my considerations.

good points . . . time will tell.

The RC F has what 40 more hp than the M4 and there is barely a blip about that. There is no internet outrage that the M4 stock has less hp than the RC F stock. However when Lexus has less HP than the competition, its suddenly a big deal. I don't get it lol.

That's exactly the point. M fan boys will look at the RC-F's weight (4048 lbs)and the M4 torque (406 lb-ft.) Some tests may show the M4 off the line quicker. I do believe the RC-F is a better car from driving them both one right after other though. Not sure what part you don't get, if you come to play in this arena shouldn't darn near equal your opponent? This car will be tested beside the M5, E55, and the RS6 and it will look very bad for Lexus coming in last. I saw that this isn't supposed to be a direct competitor to the others, There's a commercial the puts the GS against Audi, BMW and Benz. But when they build an halo GS its not? C'mon.

The M4 is a quicker car off the line but the argument is about peak hp. Which again shows how that argument can work against someone. I fail to see how the GS gaining 162hp is a bad thing even if the competition has jumped to turbos and over 550hp. The GS F will never win mag racers and stat racers, nor most any Lexus. Lexus obviously knows a person wanting a 550hp car won't look at one with 467hp. What Lexus also knows is there are people like me happy with the brand where this car is the next evolution for a car purchase. We love our modified GS 350 F-sport and this is simply an amazing logical upgrade. Whats funny is when Lexus adds turbos, then the argument will jump to "oh I wish they kept it N/A". I've seen some of that with the new NX and the NX is selling just fine.

Looks like the only cars to compare it to would be the 550i, S6, and other cars alike. But we all here know that they won't do that to often.

the normal GS is a great car, but if you wanna compete with the germans you have to offer the best out there, remember, the germans do not have to prove them self, because they are known for making sports cars, but lexus is new in this department so they have to make something special, its like the LF-A, it was so special that it was even better than ferrari, lamborghini and so on....you have to get the first hit right or it will never work

thats right. hp isnt everything, the RC-F loses to the M4 because its heavier and has less torques....the GS-F is lighter than the competition but still has a lot fewer torques, so the M5 and E63 will beat it off the line and continue with that because they have a lot more HP...light is good in handling and economy...

How does the RC F lose the the M4? They are selling like crazy and in a biased review, the car was barely less than a second faster than the M4. The M5 and E63 beat pretty much ANYTHING 0-60 short of a a Bugatti lol. I thought we cared about overall performance? If the GS F can be more involving and more fun but its slower in acceleration then it clearly wins in other merits. Its kind of sad that so far everyone is bashing it for losing the 0-60 and 0-100 etc war and I haven't seen one thing about it having TVD standard which is a game changer.

its not just the numbers, the M4 handles better, thats a fact, off course being faster in every speed range is important too, the M5 will destroy the GS-F in every speed range, maybe on the track the gap will be smaller but there will be a gap....

It is not a matter of fact, it is an opinion. I've driven both at the track and I preferred the RC F. Again in measured testing the RC F was less than a second slower. That means with different drivers, conditions or even a different lap the RC F could easily pull ahead. So for all intents and purposes from a track perspective they are equal in regards to lap times from what we know. Of course people will prefer the M4 and some will prefer the RC F for different reasons. But please do not make it seem like the RC F is some laggard because that could not be further from the truth. You know the FRS is one of the funniest cars I have driven and it has gotten rave reviews. Why? It isn't because it has more power than anyone, it is because it offers an incredible driving experience and is fun and easy to master. I think Lexus is on to something with their F-sport and expanding F line :)

Lexus does not have the emission problem that the other manufacturers do. They've said that before. Toyota cars and Scion already cover that for them. Mercedes Benz, BMW, etc ... have that issue.

Precisely. But in America, the naturally aspirated big block V8, is soon to become extinct, due to the fact that they consume a tremendous amount of petrol. Lexus has preserved a NA V8, by offering the cylinder deactivation. A TT or Supercharged V8, is not a NA V8, by any means, regardless of how much faster it is. It is nice to still see NA vehicles, not force induced ones or electric motors. Not saying I am against technology and performance, but come on, it's a V8 in a car, a sedan in this case, hotrod-like.

The engine is the same b/c that is how AMG does it, RS does it, M does it etc. Not sure why people are upset about that. The M5 shares the same engine in the X6 and X5. The AMG V-8 is in multiple cars, the new 4.0 V-8 will be in the GTS and C63.

But those engines I'm assuming were designed to accept turbos from the outset.

I agree, it's just cost efficient. But what folks are upset about, is that the engine is tuned to the same #'s. Like the SLS and C63 used the same block, but different tunes. The F's have the same engines, same tune. The F Sports have the same engines, same tune as the non-F Sports. Apparently they don't like this. What it ultimately boils down to Mike. Folks don't love Lexus like we do. The GS F is awesome. It exists, it's going into production, and that is all that really matters.

Is this Steve from #lolcl? Hey bud! I agree that it would have been nice to see 480hp even. Totally agree with that. I just attended an AMG event last month and their new 4.0 tt will offer two choices, regular with around 460h and high end with 510hp. That is easier to to with boost and a smart move on Mercedes part. That said I already knew going in that there was a chance this got no power bump and it is what it is. The GS F won't win over people that prefer to talk peak numbers. The LFA, IS F, RC F are not those cars. For anyone that wants to talk peak hp, Germans or now the Americans (Hellcat, CTS-V) are the way to go.

So if the LSF will compete with M5/M6 what do they have left to compete with RS8,Alpina B7 and S63 AMG?

It's okay to compete with the Germans, and do things, the Lexus way. The F Marque cars do not have to be direct 1:1's to the BMW's, that's kind of silly, and it truly would be Lexus in the shadows of BMW. [Which is what all of the Beamer fanboys say anyway] Lexus is growing and making more sales, integrating these F cars into their line-up, just because it "get's beat by the BMW" by stats, doesn't make the F cars any less fun to drive. These F cars are simply the beginning, hopefully down the road we see factory CCS-R variants/trim levels for the street, for SERIOUS track days. There were those rumors of a more hardcore "Black Series-like" RC F down the road. So let us sit back, and be glad that Lexus is even making these current F cars.

Well I'm saying it doesnt make sense for an LS to market against a 5 series for example, get my drift? now that would be silly. Might as well move down and run with the Infinitis and Acuras. Of course it's ok to do it the Lexus way, but I'm confident Lexus does not want to be in lower tier than their German rivals.

I hear you, and that's because the LS doesn't compete with the 5-series, totally different platforms. F marque cars are strictly about the driving experience and adding an impressionable/broader/younger customer base (for the rest of their lives). No amount of marketing is going to take the M3 fanboy away from the M3. Not even a similarly priced car, with more power and better handling. The Z06 destroys the optioned out M4, and fanboys still live by the M4 over the Z06. Just out of pride. Which is what cars are about. Not everyone has money to bandwagon from car to car. If you hate a car growing up, it doesn't matter what they come out with, you're going to hate them forever. But if you see these polarizing Lexus models rolling around, and you just are in love with them, when you get older, you're going to likely buy it, because you always wanted one. I would say the brand's name matters more than the actual #s the engine makes to most car buyers. Lexus (the youngest) is simply etching their own legacy against the legacies of the Germans. And Lexus is doing a kick ass job of it. I hear you, and everyone else, who wants the Lexus' to win in the specs/stats and have more power, we all do, because we love Lexus. But Lexus has stated many times, that they are not going to compete with the Horsepower Wars, we have to accept this strategy, because it's not going to change.

You dont make good or even exciting cars by being "crazy" ... They need better and smarter designers. They should scrap this model and ask Zagato to design the GS-f for them.

With exception of some few cars, Zagato is crap, to say it in a raw way.

So you took "crazy" literally? I mean someone who does something out of the ordinary that is later labelled a genius. This car does not strike me as such. This car is a GS with a bigger engine and a few extra options.

You're right they will cancel it and state "the people didn't want it" its a heavier 4-door RC-F. Not sure what they were thinking. Yes it will be reliable and built very well. They could have just done this for the a new IS-F and I doubt anyone would have complained.

if this was called the IS-F then it makes total sense....but GS-F....!!

those R very wise words!

Thanks ! I am with you

When it comes to luxury marquees... there are really two divisions to compete in. You have the standard Audi A5s and BMW 550i's and Benz E-Class cars with the Lexus GS350. Then, you have the coveted "performance divisions," such as the RS5, M5, AMG, etc. So far, only the Germans have had a strong hold in that division, along with perhaps Cadillac and their "V" cars. In that regard, Lexus is doing nothing but following. There is absolutely no leadership in that class. If you want to look to a company that can make a reliable, well-equipped, well-crafted luxury car, Lexus is your leader in most aspects. You want a luxury performance vehicle, Lexus isn't really worth considering outside of F-Sport cars. The F-Line falls short of its German competition, and if you aren't going to do it right, what's the point of even trying?? You just give German badge snobs and auto enthusiast sites, more ammunition to rag on Lexus and why they are wannabes. This car has been speculated and wished for, for so long. And after all this time, to not get a car with numbers right around what the Germans offer, is not acceptable. Lexus doesn't hold the brand clout the Germans do. People will except mediocrity from Mercedes or BMW, because they are Mercedes and BMW. People won't do that for Lexus. In order for people to give Lexus a fair shake, they need to exceed their German competition. Being "almost as good" won't cut it. And since sales in this sector will never be grand, if Lexus refuses to give performance enthusiasts want they want (i.e. high HP numbers for bragging right), then they might as well axe the F-line. One must remember that the 50-year-old wife of a businessman looking at the Lexus ES 350, is not the same person strongly considering an RC F or GS F. That market is for rich younger snobs who are numbers oriented. They don't care how reliable or smooth the car drives. They want performance, performance, performance! And they want big time numbers for bragging rights. Lexus needs to either do it right or forget it.

If they want big time #'s you just void your warranty and aftermarket the vehicle, and tune it... SMH

Great post!!!

No. Really no!

People said the same thing about the current re-re-refreshed LS, and it turns out that wasn't the case. It was a full production cycle model.

from what i heard the GS-F is the last F model to join the line...so lexus is not planning to take on the M5 after all, what a shame, they could revive the IS-F and make the GS-F with more power, and thats it, all of your problems are gone....