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Video: Motor Trend Compares the Lexus RC F & BMW M4

Lexus RC F vs. BMW M4

Motor Trend has published a new video comparing the Lexus RC F & BMW M4, and it’s fantastic from start to finish:

(Hard to fault anything in this video — it’s very matter-of-fact and even-handed. Really, the differences between the two cars seem so small, and that’s a victory for Lexus if you ask me.)

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    Don Colione
  • October 30, 2014
Victory for Lexus, considering it was over $10,000 cheaper, and not comparaby equipped with carbon ceramics, which took away extra weight from the M4 while giving the M4 a competitive advantage. The Lexus could have even set a better lap time given similar specs... Also, they tried real hard (almost busting a lung at 8:48) to make it look like that oversteer in the BMW was so "fun", but they were forced to recant at the end and say that it could have been bad, because the lap time video clearly shows it. The BMW did not look well planted at all, and like in other videos I have seen with the M4, it seems like the so much torque, down so low in the rev range is working against it in the mid corner and corner exits. That is a problem on the street, especially in the wet; look at how hard it seemed to be to control in the dry by a professional driver, on the track. Carlos also noted it oversteering at 105mph; not good to me, especially on the street. The BMW has the same 1980s look and style, interior and exterior, only modernized; a negative not commented on by MT, of course. RC-F is way hotter, that's what they call charisma. Notice how they don't go into detail on what they dont like about the looks, just making a generalized, subjective statement as if it were true, a justification for putting it in second place.And surprise, no road test, where the RC F would have been more than likely better; where 95% of people will be driving these cars on a daily basis. In the past, they MT and american mags like C/D would "cheat" for BMW by declaring a Lexus model not "sporty enough" after making the BMW the only stick shift or sports package in the comparo test, and giving the Lexus a second place score because of that. Now the Lexus is clearly sporty enough, but they are still not making the comparison fair. Its funny how being down 400lbs and low range torque only turned out a .3 second difference in this case. The .3 could be down to the ceramics or other factors like driver error. Lol also Carlos body language shows he does not or is not allowed to say the RC F is better, mostly saying what it is not. When he said the sound is better, he bit his toungue and his face was like he was not supposed to say that (7:57)..... These videos also use clever editing to only make us hear certain comments that highlight certain strenghts or weaknesses using words like 'fun' 'soft' etc about a particular car..... Trust me, there were alot of other comments that probably could have made the final cut, the ones used were specifically chosen. All my opinions of course, I still like the M4; not sure if it is really that better as they keep trying to make us believe.
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      BlckDynamite
    • October 30, 2014
    Good point about the brakes. If the BMW had the steel brakes the lexus had, it might have lost to the Lexus in the lap time. BD
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    But it didnt have steel brakes and Your point is moot.
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      MD
    • October 30, 2014
    You never make any sense at all. Yes, it did not have steel brakes, which should have, considering these are daily driven cars. It was equipped with an overpriced option that rarely is ever bought by customers. It did not have steel brakes. 95% of the M4 are sold with steel brakes. Only a handful of customers ever get an overpriced $10,000 carbon ceramic. It is 100% valid like if one car is wearing racing slick compound tires while the other car is on street tires, the car wearing racing slick compound tire gets an advantage that does not speak to the capability of the car.
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    If it had similar specs it would have cost the same as the BMW but would still have lost. Dont fool yourself; the Lexus lost unfortunately.
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      05Rollaxrs
    • October 30, 2014
    What do you mean similar specs? Your post makes no sense. The M4 barely edged out the RC-F despite having a $10,000 carbon ceramic brake option against the RC-F's steel brakes. The RC-F was neck-and-neck all the way through. All while RC-F was cheaper. In a straight line, M4 only gets off the line quicker because of more aggressive launch control. On the race track, on the long back straight, both cars were hitting similar speeds. Randy Pobst kept praising how superior the RC-F motor was calling it "race motor". So RC-F has a more exciting engine, costs less, about even on the race track and in a straight line, on the higher speeds.
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    Well Ok but it does have the aggressive launch Control. It's like saying it won just because it had more Power(if that was the case).
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      MD
    • October 30, 2014
    No it is not. Launch control puts a lot of stress on the transmission. Lexus is conservative in how it allows cars to be launched since Lexus never wants to compromise on durability and reliability of the car as a consequence of performance. Just so you know, launch control is actuated by the computer of the car. It controls ignition timing and launch rpm in order to balance wheel spin for fast start and traction. RC-F can only launch from 2300 rpm while the M4 launch control allows up to 5500 rpm launch rpm.
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    So what? The BMW is still faster, right? I dont know if you know the point of a so called sports car, but its not being the most reliable. It's actually to be the fastest and the most fun. The Lexus did not win, the BMW won.
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      RAL
    • October 30, 2014
    keep telling yourself that . . .
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    The opener said the Lexus would have beat the BMW if the Lexus had similar specs. Well a Huyndai could have beat a Lamborghini IF it had similar specs, but it doesnt, so ...
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      MD
    • October 30, 2014
    He meant the $10,000 carbon ceramic brakes option is what it took the M4 to beat RC-F. If it was not wearing that option, RC-F would have beaten the M4, 95% of the M4 sold are without the carbon ceramic brake option. without a doubt. What is so difficult about it to understand? Your Hyundai vs Lamborghini is just like your other posts - complete nonsense.
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      Keith9
    • October 30, 2014
    You are fooling yourself at this point and it is quite amusing for the rest of us to watch, so by all means, keep going.
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      Hed
    • October 30, 2014
    You make no sense at all. You're not presenting a single argument. Did you have a point here, or what?
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      leopard08
    • October 30, 2014
    M4 is got too much toque it dont need and this M4 will kill somebody
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    Ace
  • October 30, 2014
Bottom line, the porky RC-F needs to shed 300-400 lbs. Imagine what could have been...
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      Caleb
    • November 3, 2014
    Totally agree. I have been in one and if the rear seat, which is pointless anyways, was completely removed, that would curb some if not all that weight. The back seat is beautiful to look at. As with all 2 door coupe vehicles though, any driver or passenger over 6 ft. would crush anyone's legs the back seat. If you need the extra .3 sec. for racing, you would remove the seats for weight and lower the stance to reduce body roll anyway. As a daily driver, these differences will be unnoticeable.
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    Paul
  • October 30, 2014
I watched this review yesterday and thought it was great. I was really surprised by the lap times, but it just shows how capable the RCF actually is.
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      wasapasserby
    • October 30, 2014
    The RC F was a lot easier to handle - in line with Lexus' goal of easily available performance. Pobst was constantly sawing at the M4's wheel, making adjustments mid-corner.
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    BlckDynamite
  • October 30, 2014
These two are playing in the same ballpark, but playing two different games. The RCF is more a GT with an edge, not a pure sports car like the M4. As Carlos said, without saying it, the RCF is the daily driver of the two. The M4 is the track star of the two. BUT the RCF was only .3 of a second behind the M4 in the Lap Attack, the amount of time it takes to miss an apex in a corner. I don't like the looks, or the largess of the RCF, but Lexus will bring in younger, new buyers to the fold with the new Lexus RC. It will get noticed. Mission accomplished! BD
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    05Rollaxrs
  • October 30, 2014
Huge victory for the RC-F! RC-F was only 3/10th slower around the track with the BMW M4 having optional carbon ceramic brakes. It it had been standard steel brakes like the RC-F, RC-F would have been faster. RC-F is evenly matched with the M4 despite the 400 lbs extra weight. Also, as Randy said, the motor in the RC-F trounces that of the M4 as he kept referring to it as "race motor". Even in a straight line, the two cars are evenly matched evident from the track race video where they were neck and neck on the long back straight hitting similar trap speeds. Only, M4 can launch harder off the line with an aggressive launch control. The RC-F does not allow enough wheel spin for the maximum possible fast start, but once both cars are rolling, they both accelerate very evenly.
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    Levi
  • October 30, 2014
The M4 is really a low performer for its spec sheet: it is 400lbs lighter, has more torque through the whole rev band, has almost as much power (M4 guys say their car is underrated and makes +450 HP), and here the M4 is 3/10 faster and looks so unstable? Track car when you can have a much better track car for less (Toyota GT86, BMW M235i/M2, Porsche Cayman GTS/GT4 to name a few), and when most will not go on track but daily drive their car? I like Subaru WRX STI, Mitsubishi EVO and all these cars, I also like the M4, but it seems the M4 in all aspects went from "gentleman race" to "boy racer". This car became immature. It is difficult to judge how good the M4 is, because it has no benchmark, comparing M4 to E92M is comparing apple to orange and they are totally different cars, and comparing M4 to 435i is only relative to 435i, but not on a larger scale.
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      MD
    • October 30, 2014
    Agreed, in a RoadAndTrack hotlap, it got beaten by a Camaro 1LE SS around the race track. Only Bimmer forums have overhyped this car, but the numbers are nothing exceptional. Just typical of what a well sorted luxury sport coupe in this price point will put down just like the RC-F.
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    William A
  • October 30, 2014
While I think it's a bit silly to keep focusing on the 3/10ths of a second difference in the lap times, the overall point is that the RC F would be a much better car to live with in the real-world, which is what ultimately matters. At the end of the day very few customers of either car will be spending time at a track, and in a day-to-day situation, constant oversteer is a problem, not a "feature."
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    corradoMR2
  • October 30, 2014
On the track in this round, the RCF "lost", by fractions. But as the reviewers stated, thanks to its more supple ride, then factor in better reliability and overall quality, the RCF is the better real-world car you can live with. For 70K, I'll sacrifice 0.3 seconds to the next traffic light in favor of saving 3hrs for an unscheduled stop at the garage. Of course, if someone buys this car to be primarily driven on the track and has a maintenance crew on standby, no brainer, get the M4.
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      Levi
    • October 30, 2014
    One must have no brain to buy a 70K car (M4) for track, when there are cheaper and better suited cars for this purpose.
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    Abhi Roo
  • November 1, 2014
i dont know ..i dont like that new look of the lexus..its soo controversial..but mann look at that bmw. its old design and yet it doesnt look old at all. lexus is trying hard but bmw ppl know that every1 is aiming for them ..i hope the next gen bmw just kills every one. i owuld buy bmw but god damn its expensive
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    Travis
  • November 1, 2014
They kept calling the M4 the better track car but the better track car was only .3 seconds faster? Only .3 seconds faster then a car that weighs 400 pounds more? So basically if the RCF was 400 pounds lighter it would eat the M4. If the RCF had the carbon brakes like the M4 it would be faster. Numbers only tell half the story the Lexus Is the real winner here. it's better to ride on the road then the M4... Gonna last longer... Looks more special. Better optioned and more tech the list goes on.
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      tinhinnh
    • November 2, 2014
    RCF should sell more b/c its the better DD but somehow I bet people will get the M4 because of the badge.

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