Lexus Reveals GS 250 Horsepower Details


Lexus GS 450h & GS 350 F Sport

Lexus has announced that the GS series — including the GS 250, GS 350 F Sport & GS 450h — will be joined by the LFA Nürburgring Edition for the brand’s display at the Tokyo Motor Show in December.

This announcement was accompanied with a brief chart of the GS’ main specifications, which included one previously unknown horsepower figure:

  GS 450h GS 350 F Sport Ref: GS 250
Length 4,850 mm 4,850 mm 4,850 mm
Width 1,840 mm 1,840 mm 1,840 mm
Height 1,455 mm 1,455 mm 1,455 mm
Wheelbase 2,850 mm 2,850 mm 2,850 mm
Engine type/system 3.5-liter V6 engine
+ motor
3.5-liter V6 engine 2.5-liter V6 engine
Engine output 256 kW (348 PS)*2 234 kW (318 PS)
/6,400 rpm
158 kW (215 PS)
/6,400 rpm
Engine torque 380 N-m (38.7 kgf-m)
/4,800 rpm
260 N-m (26.5 kgf-m)
/3,800 rpm
Transmission Electric continuously
variable transmission
6 Super ECT 6 Super ECT
Tire size Front 235/45R18 235/40R19 235/45R18
Rear 235/45R18 265/35R19 235/45R18
Seating 5 5 5
*1 According to Lexus measurements and targets
*2 Combined maximum output of the engine and motor

Going from the above information, it appears that the GS 250, a 2.5L V6 engine option that will be available in most markets outside North America, will be packing 158 kW/215 PS/212 HP at 6,400 rpm — this represents a jump of eight horsepower if the engine used is the same 4GR-FSE V6 seen in the IS 250.

Update: Turns out that the 4GR-FSE in the non-North American IS 250 has always had 158 kW/215 PS/212 HP — my mistake!

[Source: TMC] (Thanks Flipside909!)

Comments


  • Paco Ros

    What about the “h” after 250 in the title? Is it a typo?

  • ydooby

    There’s no “jump in horsepower” at all. The JDM IS250 has always had 215ps while the US-spec’d IS250 has a lower power rating. The same motor simply got carried over to the GS250 which is not bound for the US that’s all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/LexusandThePursuit WorldofLuxury

    Foglights for the F-Sport!

  • LexusLVR

    A lonely GS250 isn’t going to cut it. The GS needs more engines in non-American markets in order to be even remotely competitive.

    I can see the new GS needing a sub 2-liter motor, both in gas and diesel form for many European and Asian markets where there is an engine capacity tax on anything above 2-liters.

    I’m amazed at how Lexus continually refuses to adapt to local market conditions and then scratch their heads and wonder why their cars don’t sell. American-style luxury doesn’t work well outside of North America. Lexus needs to adapt their products to suit local tastes and for Europe and Asia that means smaller engines, diesels, different trim levels etc. The more engine choices, trims etc. the more appealing their cars can become. A wagon version of the GS is also a must for Europe.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Oops! Must have been from writing HS 250h so many times over the last week. Fixed.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Thanks for the info, did not know that — I wonder why the engine was detuned in the North American IS?

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    It surprises me as well — after all, it’s not like Lexus has to develop these engines on their own, they could just pull them directly from Toyota. One of the great mysteries about the brand.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Good eye — still have a hard time believing Lexus is going to sell a sedan without fog lights. 

  • http://twitter.com/BlackDynamiteNY BlackDynamiteOnline

    The 2.5 is a perfect mid-gen upgrade for the CT, along with the new Camry Hybrid engine
    BD

  • ThaDRD

    Is a GS250 even going to be able to get out of its own way?  The IS250 is very underpowered compared to the IS350, I can’t imagine that engine in the larger GS.

  • emptystreets130

    The 4GR-FSE is used in the IS, Mark X and the Crown series and was based on the same platform. All these vehicle I mention is roughly the same weight at the GS Series and a bit heavier than the IS. So I know engine size isn’t the issue. It’s a combination of vehicle weight and gearing that can push or pull the vehicle. I think the 2.5L will do fine. One example is the 2AZ-FE, 2.4L 4cyl which is able to pull a mini-van, like the Sienna, or a bigger Toyota van, like the Alphard, without much problem.

  • Fo1

    Lexus wants to maintain a premium on their cars. 1.8L and luxury don’t go well together.. Who cares about Europe, obviously they will never outsell European brands over there and that isn’t important because the European “luxury” cars in Europe are cheap, for them a C-class is what a Civic is for Canada etc.. Their models are smaller, cheaper and come eqiped with much less then what the European sell in North America..

    Shouldn’t compare Lexus sales and the local European brands in EU, because Lexus doesn’t have any no-frills products in their lineup.. It’s appropiate to compare Toyota+Lexus as one

  • Joe

    I always had the impression that the IS 250 had 204 hp in US and 208 hp in Europe.  Can someone explain to me where these 212 hp / 215 ps come from?

  • ThaDRD

    Oh, it will do it, it just won’t be fun.  I have an IS350 and have driven IS250s as loaners and they just don’t have any get-up-and-go.

  • Hotrodpol

    People! I am from Poland and I love Lexus , I dream about getting new GS but with all thouse huge engines it is impossible for me to afford it, I hope they will make GS with “shity” small 2.5l  engine , so people like me will have a chance to own one. And I don’t give f…k that will be slower then the others brands , you love Lexus for somthing else than just acceleration. 4×4 is must have !!!!!!!! I don’t see other choice.. 

  • http://twitter.com/DFGeneer DFGeneer

    How fast do you think are the best selling 5-series in Europe? Both 520i and 520d pack 184 PS and still make about 80% of the sales. 
    Then how about the 134 PS Mercedes E200CDI BlueEfficiency or 180 PS Audi A6 2.0 TFSI? 
    The GS250 will be quite fast compared to all of them. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jun-Wang/743704536 Jun Wang

    I used to love lexus, but this is getting so lame ! they are basically just using the same engine over and over and over without any improvement…. at all

  • Illusion2001

    The european version of the IS 250 has 208 PS. The Japanese has 215.

  • LexusLVR

    Fo1,

    A 1.8-liter engine is nothing to be ashamed about in a luxury car in many markets. A modern 1.8-l 4-cylinder engine can be torquey and refined. Keep in mind that there are engine capacity taxes in many international markets and buyers of luxury cars won’t mind a 2-liter engine in their premium car.

    Case in point. I travel to Europe at least three times a year on business. I rent cars there. A few months ago I rented a Mercedes C180 Kompressor or C200 Kompressor which I believe has a new 1.8-l supercharged or turbocharged 4-cylinder engine. I don’t know what the horsepower output was, but I can tell you that the car was not slow. I found the motor to be eager and delightfully responsive – even though it was mated to a 5 or 7-speed automatic transmission. Despite being a 4-cylinder, I found the engine to be smooth, quiet and refined. It felt like a 6-cylinder in terms of overall refinement. We don’t get these engines in North America, so the majority of Americans still think that 4-cylinders are rough and unrefined. They’re not in this day and age.

    Also, Fo1, a Mercedes C class isn’t cheap in Europe. On the contrary – they’re expensive. Very expensive.  The difference between Mercedes and Lexus in this case is that a Mercedes C class is far more appealing than a Lexus IS because of several factors:

    1) The C class offers a variety of engine choices from economical diesels to the C63 AMG. Every customer can select the engine they feel best suits them. The IS250, IS200d/IS220d and IS-F are a very unbalanced lineup. You have the entry-level diesel IS, the somewhat midrange IS250 and then the IS-F. There is no IS350 or a model between the IS250 and IS350. Furthemore, there is no gasoline-powered model below the IS250.

    2) The C class offers a wagon version. Wagons are practical and sought-after in Europe. The IS sedan is also pretty cramped inside compared to the C class. A C class can be ordered with different trims and features (INDIVIDUALIZATION of ones automobile – something that isn’t really possible on most Lexus).

    3) Lastly, Lexus lacks the badge pedigree of the European brands. I am told that when a European spends money on a luxury car, the badge better means something. Look no further than the BMW Museum, Mercedes Museum etc. to see what brand heritage and history is. Lexus doesn’t have that and that puts them at a serious disadvantage when they charge the same prices as their European rivals – and for what?

    Europe is a different market than North America. What works here won’t work in Europe and vice versa. Lexus really needs to adapt to local market conditions if they want to make inroads in other markets.

    Lexus has access to Toyota engines as Krew stated. It shouldn’t be to hard to select a Toyota 4-cylinder motor and perform some modifications on it in order for the motor to ensure that smoothness that Lexus is known for. Toyota certainly has the funds to also develop a brand new 4-cylinder motor specifically for Lexus products in other markets.

  • LexusLVR

    The GS250 will not compete with an E200 CDI which is an entry-level diesel car usually sold to taxi or police fleets as far as I am aware. I’ve rented the more powerful E220 CDI in Europe and that car is excellent in my honest opinion. Quick, decent refinement and very fuel efficient.

    The GS250 will compete with:

    Audi A6 2. TFSI (4-cylinder, 211-hp)
    BMW 523i (6-cylinder, 204-hp)
    Mercedes E250 CGI (4-cylinder, 204-hp)

  • emptystreets130

    Some of the Asian market has a “retuned” version of this engine. It could be due to many reason, like emission, the grade of fuel they have, intake and exhaust routing and so on. Again, Toyota has their 2AZ-FE motor ranging from 150ish hp up to 170ish hp, depending on application, fuel and emission.

  • emptystreets130

    A lot of company will reuse engine over and over again with very little improvement. It’s not only Toyota/Lexus, but Honda and NIssan, Ford, Mazda and so on. Like I’ve said earlier, it’s how they package the engine in the compartment mated to the intake and the exhaust manifold will affect power improvements. Parts also plays a key role but why fix what isn’t broken. I don’t think a lot of people are complaining about either engines.

  • jruhi4

    Our emissions standards are the most stringent in the world, hence the power loss versus other countries.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    You really hit on all the major issues Lexus has in Europe: lack of engine options, not enough customization, no wagons, and the L badge. The first three are fixable, which in turn will take care of the “prestige factor” — the GS 250 is a small first step, but it’s going to take much more for Lexus to make serious inroads.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    I don’t know, the only review of the GS 250 that I’ve read so far didn’t mention a lack of power, and being an European mag, I don’t think they would have hesitated to put down Lexus given the chance. 

    (Also, the Lexus executives I’ve talked to (who are always unusually honest with me) are quite impressed with it.)

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew
  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Thanks for sharing — I didn’t realize there were so many variants of the 2AZ-FE just within the IS range.

  • Wooski

    There will almost certainly be a GS250h in Europe at least based on the 4 cylinder drivetrain in the new Camry.  However I dont think it will appear until the same time as the IS250h (which is surely the real successor to the ill fated HS) when it launches in 2013. The GS250h is the car that will take the CO2 / Fuel Economy fight to the BMW520d and could really boost GS sales in Europe.

  • MT

    Hi! I like the new GS it is a wonderful car. It is going to be a success all over the world except Europe (i am from Europe). There it will fail big time. There are several reasons for that:
    1. No wagon variant. All competitors have that, half of these cars are sold as wagons. Makes -50%for Lexus.
    2. No diesel Engines. Cars of that size are used mainly for highway/autobahn travelling. On the Autobahn even the revised GS450h (it is still a 290hp Gasoline Engine!) has a hard time keeping it up with the fuel consumption compared to a 2 Litre 180hp Diesel. 2 Liter Diesels are the biggest sellers in that category. Again -50% for Lexus sales. Only 25% of original potential customers remain. I see no reason whatsoever for not putting the Toyota 2,2 D-CAT engine in the GS. One litre diesel is usually about 5% cheaper than gasoline. 
    3. Only 1 Gasoline Engine (4GR-FSE) that is already showing its age concerning fuel consuption. No stop-start, which lowers the combined-cycle fuel consumption by about 5% at the expense of a better starter-motor. All competitors of the GS using forced induction inline 4 engines (A6, E, 5er) outclass even the IS250s fuel economy by 25%. Although real world difference will be much smaller, everybody looks at the “window Sticker number”. In some countrys taxes go with displacement, so one more reason to avoid the silky-smooth yet tax-intensive Lexus V6. I would say -50 again.
    4. No AWD in western Europe. A large number of Audis are sold with quattro, same goes for Bimmers x-drive. I estimate -25% again. The Russian GS350AWD has a 180kmh (112mph) limited top speed. They cant bring that to western Europe, the car would be ridiculed all over the press as the proof for Japanese incompetence. I drive my Auris 1,6 Valvematic (basically a Corolla E15-hatchback) at speeds above that for hundreds of kilometers on a regular basis.
    5. No manual transmissions available. More than half of the cars we are talking about are sold as MT. We like to have MT cars here. I myself would never buy an automatic transmission in a car (in a hybrid yes, but not in a standard car) and i do not know any people that like AT. Even my dad, a couple of years ago, (he likes evrything that is smooth and silent and refined) chose a standard camry with an inline-4 over the GS300 just cause he felt utterly bored without the need to shift gears. So i guess its minus 70% on the remainig potential customers on this one.
    6. If there is again that impossible combination of features like in all other Lexuses the it will be again down for another 20%. Like on the RX you have to have leather seats if you like the HUD. I would pay an extra-fee if i could choose the features more freely.

    So this gives us –> 0,5×0,5×0,5×0,75×0,3×0,8=0,0225

    I would expect the GS to sell in numbers of about 2 percent of the numbers of a BMW5 series or Audi A6. And even if I hate to say this, history will proove me right. Somebody bring this post up again in a year or so from now and it will check out as i predicted.

  • emptystreets130

    Oh, I didn’t mean the 2AZ-FE is in the IS range. They are mostly in the FWD vehicle, like the Camry, Corolla, tC, Avensis, and such. I was just using it as an example to explain how the same engine can produce different output because of engine configuration/”plumbing.”

  • Pattebb

    I agrre with u to 100%..and i think that Lexus need to change about this. But i hope they will use
    the new Camry hybrid engine in this gs, would get good economy..

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Oops — I was talking about the 4GR-FSE, not the 2AZ-FE, but your comment sidetracked me. :-)

    Fixed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/clarenee Clarence Chu

    The fuel consumption numbers for both GS350 & GS250 on the EU cycle is shockingly inefficient when compared with, say, 535i or E350 CGI or even A6 3.0Tq. Again the CO2 numbers are nothing to shout home about. The GS250 is a good start, but it’s running costs on taxation level in many countries will probably be even more than it’s Euro competitors with engines that are one grade above it.
    Lexus/Toyota cannot only rely on the US market, they must branch out & in order to be successful they have to utilise the full range of resources available from the parent.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Writing about the GS 250 today, I thought the same thing. The 4GR-FSE has been a good engine, but it needs a serious update.