2012 Lexus GS 250 Coming to Europe


2012 Lexus GS 250

While the North America edition of the next-generation Lexus GS appears to be carrying over the 3.5L V6 from the current generation (in both hybrid & non-hybrid formats), the fourth generation sports sedan will be getting a new engine for European (and likely Japanese) markets: the GS 250, which will likely be powered by the same 2.5 4GR-FSE engine seen in the current IS 250.

Let’s look at what Auto Car had to say after driving the lowest-displacement GS:

Our test car came with the adaptive dampers that automatically shuffle between nine different settings depending on driving style and road conditions, and the driver can select more sporting settings that will keep the car in the firmer ranges of the damper movement. And they do the job very well. The slightly desensitised and light, if nicely granular steering means that this is not as focused-feeling as the BMW but it’s not far off the same sort of serene, flowing sensation that Mercedes specialises in, and the excellent low-speed refinement only goes to emphasise that sensation too.

The rest of their review, which is surprising in its shortness, has no complaints about a lack of power or really anything about the engine at all, which is a good sign the 2.5L V6 is a fully capable powerplant for the GS.

Adding another engine option to the GS lineup is an excellent move, given the type of choice Europeans are used to. Of course, it might have been more brand-appropriate to have a 2.5L V6 hybrid, I think the primary goal of the GS 250 is to lower the cost of entry — which leads me to believe we’ll see some very interesting option packages when more information becomes available.

Read the Auto Car Review of the 2012 Lexus GS 250

Comments


  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    This made me happy like a child that being given what he wanted ! Finally Lexus wanted to concentrate on small displacement which actually could made them have more market !

    GS250 can be compete with 520i or 523i or 525i , E200 BE or E230 BE & A6 1.8 or A6 2.0 … which-ever it’s available (I only remember well on Lexus , not their rival) .

  • http://twitter.com/_CyCo Winston Williams

    Toyoda is a man of his word. His leadership will hopefully change people’s perception of Toyota/Lexus vehicles. Let’s see what they do with next generation Camry&Corolla and upcoming FT-86

  • PG

    This move might also be well received by the Chinese market, where there is a tax on engines over 3.0 liters.

  • http://www.jumpdates.com free dating sites

    I am not the face of car but reading this would awaits me for this America..

  • Wooski

    I suspect we may still see a 2.5l hybrid version.  I was told that the hybrid would have CO2 of around 120g to up against the low capacity diesel BMW 5 / Audi 6 & Merc E Germans.  I suspect in the UK we may only see 2.5l hybrid and 3.5l hybrid versions.  I’m sure we’ll find this out when the hybrid version is shown in Frankfurt in September.

    I would have thought that US buyers would be interested in the 2.5l version too?

  • Thomas

    For some strange reason, probably cultural, americans need bigger engines than both Japan and europeans. Strange!

  • Ctus

    Think of how ‘downscale’ the LS would of been with a V6 engine..

    And Japanese engines on average are larger then Euopean but smaller then American..

  • http://twitter.com/yishai_ettebe Jesse

    GS250h now that be something.

    For someone with the environment in-mind but still wants something nice / more spacious but won’t break the bank like the LS600h.

  • http://twitter.com/yishai_ettebe Jesse

    GS250h now that be something.

    For someone with the environment in-mind but still wants something nice / more spacious but won’t break the bank like the LS600h.

  • Wooski

    Actually I think the LS should certainly have a 3.5l V6 hybrid option.  Remember that the Mercedes S class now even has a 4 cylinder turbo diesel option in mainland Europe (but not the UK).  Biggest selling S lass by FAR in the UK (i.e. over 80% sales) is the 3 litre V6 turbo diesel S350.

    Current LS600h is outstanding but that top of the market is tiny in Europe.  Very very few V12 powered S & 7’s running around.Certainly the biggest selling 5 and E in the UK are the 4 cylinder diesels.  No shame at all in a 2.5l V6 hybrid especially if it could match 120g CO2.

  • Ctus

    It isn’t worth for Lexus to create a model just for Europe.. The entire Europe, including central Europe only sold 276 LS’s in 6 months.. In USA Lexus sells more then 1000 Lexus LS in any given month and that is a bad month..

  • Max Bramante

    I hava an idea for Lexus: a small premium compact car,hatchback, (audi a1 class more or less) ,hybrid and very sporty with rear traction (using a short version of the FT-86 chassis) designed by Chris Bangle.  What do you think guys? I think could be the best way to get lots of very younger people customers. What do you think guys?

  • Max Bramante

    You’re right, european customers are very ignorants. I’d like so much to see many Lexus in Italy instead of those piece of crap of audi’s wich are very unreliable,ugly (a1, q3, horrors) and all similars between them. But I would like so much if Lexus get a strong marketing in Europe just like audi. They sells lots of cars not for the quality,wich sometimes is even worst than the same VW products, but just for their strongly marketing. 

  • Ctus

    Yeah it’s a shame, because Lexus are very excellent cars.. Audi’s are garbage, they really do have oodles of bad quality, ugly all round cars..

  • Vdm

    No!! Just no!! I dint want the USA to turn into Europe, where you just buy the badge, I like cars to have at least 3.5l, nataral aspiration, no turbo or anything like that.. And that’s what makes them exclusive..

    Go to Europe and all the ‘Audi, BMW and Mercs’ are garbage, tiny engines, rattly noises, diesel, manual, ugly, small andnothing premium about them..

  • Vogel

    Lexus Marketing is the problem. Here in Germany you could not see one single AD in the last 3 years!!!

  • Thomas

    I would love to have a GS 250, a hybrid for extra power. It would suit the our tax-system here in Norway in an excellent way.

  • Thomas

    I would love if Lexus didn make any hatchback at all! You hade an awful idea. Please bury it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    But not good in Taiwan because 2.4-liter+ is the counted as 3.0-liter’s tax … Taiwan is one of the important market for Toyota/Lexus .

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Weirdly … China also a market that always wanted small displacement for big car (which is why Lexus have RX270 & ES240) but China did have quite a lot of V12-powered S-Class or 7er though … while LS600h doesn’t seems to be attract them much .

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Diesel is way to go for future … it’s only a few CO2 & it’s way more save fuel when you drive on highway (no offense … I compared Lexus GT200h to Golf Diesel BlueMotion before) , and I always hope smaller engine with forced induction instead of just use big displacement to get power .

    It might because your country doesn’t have tax like mine , so you would said at least 3.5-liter is good … but for country like mine , if Lexus keep came out with big displacement car , it would surely have bad market in the future (which the tax keep grow year by year) .

    What I hope is … Lexus made a Turbo Diesel with Hybrid .

  • Max Bramante

    I gave you +1 but for a mistake, I was clicking on the button “reply” instead i pushed “liked”. Ok, I’m totally disagree with your point of view: first of all, the golf blue motion is definitely not fuel efficiently as the CT200h, the most important italian car magazine”Quattroruote” did a great long test/review,also with video documentary (Wich I was hoping to see here in this beautiful site) of the CT200h in the city of Milano and the result is that the new small Lexy is the most fuel efficiently car in his class, diesel could be ok just for the highway but for the most times whn you use the car,diesel is totally useless especially in the city, plus is very unrelaible (check out the several VW/Audi/BMW/Benz forums if you don’t believe me. When you use a diesel car as it happen in Europe, very often in the city or small and mid trip out of the city, the diesel engine can’t give you a signficantly results. Then you have to consider the fact that a diesel is much more expensive than an Hybrid about the mainteinance (especially germans wow,almost like a bentley!). And what about the several problems with the DPF? By the way I saw the hybrid diesel by Peugeot and his consumption are worst than the CT200h equipped with the perfect 1.8 L Atkinson (the Atkinson is the best kind of engine to put in couple with an electric motor).

  • Max Bramante

    Another mistake,another “liked” instead of reply: Ok IMHO the only reason why chinese buy more BMW and Benz V12 than LS600h is just because the heritage. To me I’d take any Lexus over any BMW or Benz anyday (just talking about heritage) cuz those germans brands,very often, are used by the worst people ever today especially in italy (mafia etc.) in fact many VIP of the showbiz in Italy buy Lexus and they prefer to avoid inflated german brands.

  • Max Bramante

    I was talking about a very exclusive small hatch with hybrid powertrain, eventually based on the Yaris hybrid chassis,with some modifications to make it more sporty, that’s it. By the way the CT200h is just beautiful, how can you say “I would love if Lexus didn’t make any hatch at all”?

  • Max Bramante

    Holy words! I work in an import-export car dealership so I have the occasion to drive many audi,bmw and benz. Well. I though the worst german car about quality interiors was BMW (also thinking about my negative experience with it) instead I was wrong: It’s audi: after 3-4 years audi interiors shows a mediocre quality with many issues,door panels,buttons consumed as hell. Neither in a fiat you can find this ugly show. And what about engines and mechanic part? OMG! those cars sux big time.

  • Wooski

    Thats because they are only playing in the very top part of the market.  Its inevitable.

  • Wooski

    Diesel is going nowhere fast.  Air quality regulations will eventually kill it.  Too much NOX and particulates.

  • Praveen G

    Why should Lexus bury the CT that let European sales this year soar by 42% compared to last year? If you like or not, you’ll have to accept that in today’s world luxury does not necessarily mean big and powerful but also small, efficient, with a high build quality/materials and rich feature content. That’s the future!

  • Max Bramante

    Diesel is already faster, since 1998 when the common rail system was released by fiat and then sold to bosch. But today is definitely not reliable for a couple of simple reason: 1)too complicate  2)too powerful. Then you have to consider the fact that in the city and extracity is not so convenient and it can’t compare with the efficiency of an hybrid (a real advanced hybrid just like the Toyota hybrid synergy drive, Honda is not good as the one of Toyota although more efficient than a diesel aniway). Another big problem is the mainteinance (I’m an ex BMW diesel owner) wich is very,very expensive, more than a petrol engine and much more than an hybrid,wich is the most cheap solution about mainteinance and much more reliable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Might also because they have “hate” towards Japanese … but weirdly , they still accept something like RX270 , lol .

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Expensive on maintenance ? Not really … Toyota have commonrail diesel for their unbreakable Hilux , it’s very good power , good FC & it’s as saving fuel as a Prius when you put it on highway cruise .

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    I didn’t take the words from magazine but direct taken from my friend who did a real life test … indeed on city run the CT200h is more lower in FC due to Hybrid kick in & let engine rest a lot , but when you turn to highway , the hybrid doesn’t really being save fuel while the VW’s BM did . Also , VW’s BM is quite a lot of cheaper & it doesn’t have to carry a battery that would be have end of life in next few years .

    Well … it might be true about those German Diesel is always broken down , but Toyota is Japan & it’s diesel never ever let people down like it’s petrol … so when Toyota made a Turbo Diesel Hybrid , it will be as good as their Petrol Hybrid .

  • Anonymous

    Mainland China for the win! LOL jk

  • Anonymous

    That’s a tiny engine…

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Yes … but customer love it , haha .

  • KiwiLexus

    The current GS300 (yes, they’re still selling it here in NZ) never felt anything more than adequately powered. Same with the 2.5L in the IS250 – definitely not powerful, but adequate for round town. With this in mind, the same 2.5L in the significantly larger GS would be over burdened in my opinion, especially without hybrid or turbo/supercharged assistance.

  • irebel

    If Lexus uses the same engine found in IS250 for the new GS250, then I am pretty sure they will not stand a chance against their target rivals (2.0L BMW 5 series or Mercedes E250CGI) in terms of performance (acceleration, top speed, fuel consumption, emissions).  Lexus needs to do some major re-engineering in order to bring this engine to today’s standards.

  • irebel

    If Lexus uses the same engine found in IS250 for the new GS250, then I am pretty sure they will not stand a chance against their target rivals (2.0L BMW 5 series or Mercedes E250CGI) in terms of performance (acceleration, top speed, fuel consumption, emissions).  Lexus needs to do some major re-engineering in order to bring this engine to today’s standards.

  • irebel

    If Lexus uses the same engine found in IS250 for the new GS250, then I am pretty sure they will not stand a chance against their target rivals (2.0L BMW 5 series or Mercedes E250CGI) in terms of performance (acceleration, top speed, fuel consumption, emissions).  Lexus needs to do some major re-engineering in order to bring this engine to today’s standards.

  • irebel

    If Lexus uses the same engine found in IS250 for the new GS250, then I am pretty sure they will not stand a chance against their target rivals (2.0L BMW 5 series or Mercedes E250CGI) in terms of performance (acceleration, top speed, fuel consumption, emissions).  Lexus needs to do some major re-engineering in order to bring this engine to today’s standards.

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    Hmm, that’s interesting. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a 4-cylinder GS for China, though — maybe in a couple years?

  • http://lexusenthusiast.com krew

    I talked with a Lexus executive that’s driven the GS 250 — he was quite impressed. Maybe there’s been some improvements, we’ll have to wait and see. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/RDS.Alphard Yong Thian Ding

    Even the engine is the same , but the gear ratio can be changed … of course the engine ECU can be remap , so same IS250 engine doesn’t meant it doesn’t good .

  • LexusLVR

    This Max Bramante guy is a real dumbass and full of shit. What a biased Lexus pussy he is.