Lexus GS-F in 2013?


Lexus GS-F 2013

Autocar is reporting that the Lexus GS-F is on deck for 2013 and will be powered by the LFA’s V10:

Lexus engineers are working on reducing the engine’s capacity by around 200cc to 4.6 litres and power to 450bhp. The idea is to improve low-range torque, although even with the reduced power output the GS-F will become the most powerful road-going Japanese saloon ever built.

The GS-F will be fitted with Toyota’s first torque vectoring differential. Similar to the diff used on BMW’s M cars and the likes of the X6 SUV, the ‘torque split unit’ actively apportions drive between the rear wheels to aid handling. A similar system is also expected to be fitted to the new SC.

The GS F has been long rumored, and at the Detroit Auto Show, even Lexus representatives were whispering about the possibility. The timeframe seems reasonable, and it wouldn’t surprise me to hear that Toyota was working on torque vectoring technology.

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Also mentioned in the article is the next-generation SC:

The new SC will be unveiled in mid-2014, although the current car is due to finish production this July, leaving a four-year gap between the two cars. However, the next model will be a hybrid, powered by a 5.0-litre V8 and an electric motor driving the rear wheels only.

Can’t see the SC going on a four-year hiatus, even if it’s dependant on GS-F technology. That would be a long time for Lexus to go without a true sports coupe.

[Source: Autocar]

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  1. FT-86 in 2012, GS-F in 2013 and new gen SC in 2014, hey speed it up Toyota, we are not getting younger.

  2. Considering the current SC has been produced for 8 years, they’ve essentially already been without a sports coupe.

  3. SS:FT-86 in 2012, GS-F in 2013 and new gen SC in 2014, hey speed it up Toyota, we are not getting younger.

      QFT!  I agree. smile

  4. I’ve seen this report, and I think it’s full of air. The one line that comes out at me that pretty much disproves everything for me is this:

    Autocar:And the CT200h will have lithium ion batteries, making it the first Toyota product to do so.

    The CT will have the same nickel batteries that the Prius has, and the leaked brochure, says that it has nickel batteries.

    Anyway concerning the other things, I don’t think that the engine would be that low powered. If Lexus develops a version of the LFA’s V10 that can be mass produced, it needs to at least produce 500hp, more would be better.

    But one point that is pretty significant is that almost NONE of the competition uses a V10 engine anymore. If Lexus develops a V10 GS F it’ll be one of the only V10s in the class. Maybe Lexus’s should follow BMW/Audi/Jaguar’s lead and produce a forced induction V8?

  5. I don’t believe any of this.

    Remember that ‘tweet’ from Lexus Europe? They said the LFA’s engine is bespoke and wouldn’t be used in any other car. I also think that the GS F will get here before 2013. The new GS is expected to debut this year and I don’t think they’d wait another 3 to introduce an F-model. Not when that generation is going to half way through it’s life cycle.

    Lexus wouldn’t wait 4 years to introduce a new SC, that’s ubsurb. There was a gap between the 1G and 2G SC, but it only lasted one year. Why would this generation be any different? Plus, I don’t think Lexus would allow a vital part of their line-up to go unfilled for 4 years. I do like the idea of the SCh though.

  6. I doubt it will take until 2013 for us to see a GS-F variant, now if it came out in 2012 as a 2013 maybe. We should see the new GS this year and most likely have it on sale some time next year (i’m thinking late 2010 or early 2011) and at most it should be 6 months for a F variant. It will be very interesting to see the F variant of the next gen GS as it will be the first car from lexus to be made with an F variant in mind.

    I think the GS has done well (it’s my current car and i absolutely love it!) but it takes a different approach than the 5 series. The GS is really a luxury sports car where BMW is more about being the sports car. BMW sacrifices ride quality for handling, i’m willing to give up some handling for ride quality. My friend has a 5 series and here in san diego it’s rare to really use that car to its potential, most of its time is spent running around town or on the freeway, both of which aren’t too comfortable. My GS however is a pleasure to be in for hours and still has the power to make it fun and sporty.

    As for the SC, I would like to see it take on the 6 series, basically a coupe GS. This car has some definite potential and should be available long before 2014

  7. wow

    i hope that the new interiors to have some ques of the CT interior

    please please please

  8. @James: I remember that tweet, but you gotta remember how these companies see things.

    Remember when the ES debuted (or even the HS for that matter). We were told it was on an all new platform and blah blah blah, when in reality it was on a modified Camry platform.

    I think what Lexus Europe meant by the tweet was that they’re not going to just lift an engine from the LFA drop it in a GS. That wouldn’t work well since the LFA’s motor is specifically tuned for the LFA. What could happen though is Lexus might take the LFA engine revise some parts, simplify some parts to make it easier to mass produce, retune it, up the displacement etc etc.

    At that point Lexus would probably say that they developed an “all new V10 engine”, when in reality they just revised the current one for a different task.

    But anyway I don’t think a V10 is likely since none of the competition uses one anymore, but a V10 GS isn’t impossible.

  9. Four year gap for the SC is a long wait for me. Hopefully this isn’t true or maybe they think the IS250C or IS350C is supposed to cover that gap. I feel like the ISC is for a different type of buyer than the SC.

  10. @tyler: I too consider ride comfort more important than handling & hope the next GS has a slighty better ride. I own a 2006 GS300 (current shape) , which is your model ?

  11. Brendan:Considering the current SC has been produced for 8 years, they've essentially already been without a sports coupe.

    Haha. Good point.

  12. (Cj):I've seen this report, and I think it's full of air. The one line that comes out at me that pretty much disproves everything for me is this:

    The CT will have the same nickel batteries that the Prius has, and the leaked brochure, says that it has nickel batteries.

    Anyway concerning the other things, I don't think that the engine would be that low powered. If Lexus develops a version of the LFA's V10 that can be mass produced, it needs to at least produce 500hp, more would be better.

    But one point that is pretty significant is that almost NONE of the competition uses a V10 engine anymore. If Lexus develops a V10 GS F it'll be one of the only V10s in the class. Maybe Lexus's should follow BMW/Audi/Jaguar's lead and produce a forced induction V8?

    I wonder if the rarity of a V10 in the segment wouldn’t be a major reason for using it, especially if it manages to produce similar MPG figures to the competition.

    I agree that the CT battery mistake does call this report into question, but I’m growing more and more confident every day that the GS F will use the LFA V10. Hopefully sooner than 2013, though!

  13. @krew:

    The LFA engine could be used. That would be one thing that would make it stand out in the segment. Either way any sort of 500+hp GS is a good thing.

    I’ve said this elsewhere, but once Lexus does a GS F, they can use the same engine for an SC-F and LS-F. That’s what Mercedes does. AMG only has 3 engines and the 3 engines are used amongst Mercedes’s 20 different models. That’s how Mercedes can have an AMG everything. It may look excessive, but its genius because they are able to spread the cost of development of the engines across the whole model line.

    For Lexus they have the entry level IS-F engine, which is also shared with the LS600hL, and can one day be shared with the regular LS and SC (LS500/SC500). The GS-F engine can be shared with the LS and SC also.

    If the GS engine comes from the LFA, that’ll help Lexus recoup some of the V10 development, if it comes in the form of a supercharged IS-F engine, that’s even more sharing which would be good for the bottom line in the long run.

  14. @krew
    @(Cj):

    let’s rearange all what we need with what we ‘ll see

    we need SC-F but the SC ‘ll be a hybrid
    so i Guess the SC-F ‘ll be the first Production super Hybrid GT based on the hybrid engines toyota used lately in both current SC & Supra (lately uses 3.3 litre produce 400hp in MR-S)

    Guys they said that lexus ‘ll be soon a hybrid car maker
    so let’s see things from postive prespective
    we agree on hybrid if they came with those high performance engines that toyota tested

  15. @mtema99:
    i think that the NG IS & NG ES ‘ll be a total hybrid but with difference

    the HS ‘ll be economical hybrid for the high performance hybrid IS
    the ES ‘ll be economical hybrid for the high performance hybrid GS

    those whom need comfort and economics ‘ll go for (HS/ES)
    those whom need a real sport car but hybrid ‘ll go for (IS/GS)

    with that strategy toyota ‘ll closed the headaches of the diesel (in europe),
    the un inspired hybrid , the overlaping in the line-up

  16. mtema99:@mtema99:
    i think that the NG IS & NG ES 'll be a total hybrid but with difference

    the HS 'll be economical hybrid for the high performance hybrid IS
    the ES 'll be economical hybrid for the high performance hybrid GS

    those whom need comfort and economics 'll go for (HS/ES)
    those whom need a real sport car but hybrid 'll go for (IS/GS)

    with that strategy toyota 'll closed the headaches of the diesel (in europe),
    the un inspired hybrid , the overlaping in the line-up

    Those are some great ideas, but I personally think some regular non-hybrids should still be available, and F models won’t be hybrid anytime soon (since the F flagship the LFA is NOT hybrid).

    So anyway the next gen IS still needs to have an entry level 2.5L and 3.5L engine, and maybe a hybrid model that’s performance oriented. The ES can be total hybrid though. That could be a good thing. The GS needs to have a non-hybrid V6 model and a non-hybrid V8 model and of course an F model smile

  17. I’m just worried about the next generation GS. I know Lexus can do so much better than the new Infiniti M, BMW 5, and Mercedes-Benz E. The Infiniti is sedate on the outside and woozy and claustrophobic on the inside; the BMW is kinda boring on the outside and kinda cheap on the inside for a 2011 car; the Mercedes-Benz just wasn’t built to be a sedan but a coupe instead. I know Lexus can do so much better… L-finesse has great potentials… please Lexus, NO MORE COMPROMISES!

  18. @WorldofLuxury: Lots of us remember well how amazing the results can be when Lexus executes without compromise.  That being said though, I’ve learned that it’s easy to conjure up the best possible result in the absence of concrete details, particularly when competing models have come out and seem to not set the bar particularly high. Development cycles are years in advance and while competing models have an impact, they’re not likely to radically change a design at the last minute.  I expect that the next GS is already largely finalized…the question will be whether this next model can deliver.

  19. @Dan: lol That I realize. Lexus really does have the potential. It’s just whether or not they were willing to put out. wink

  20. @WorldofLuxury: @Dan:

    I don’t think Lexus can go wrong with the next gen GS. Worst case scenario is the V6 stays the same (which is fine, because the V6 is still pretty competitive) and the V8 get’s upgraded to the V8 in the current LS (again a safe move that wouldn’t be too bad).

    Styling wise if it looks close to the current they’ll be fine, because the current model still looks fresh next to it’s newer competition.

    IMO there’s no where to go but up for the next gen GS. An F model would be great and an upgraded hybrid model would be awesome too, but both are not essential for the GS to do well compared to it’s immediate competition.