Automobile Magazine Reviews the 2010 Lexus LS 460 Sport


2010 Lexus LS 460 Sport

Automobile Magazine sure did fall for the 2010 Lexus LS 460 Sport:

A previously geriatric sedan is finally alive with youthful vigor and enthusiasm for twisty roads.

Lexus has revealed an inner self we never knew existed. The LS platform has the moxie to handle much more power, speed, and throttle pressure. This toe dipped in sport sedan water needs to be followed by dive into the deep end of the shark infested pool. Our crystal ball clearly shows a LS-F 500 flagship sedan powered by a tuned-up 5.0-liter V-8 borrowed from the 600hL.

Could not agree more, though I would say the reception to this LS Sport package will be used to gauge interest in an LS-F. (From this review at least, it seems like $6,200 well spent.)

[Source: Automobile Magazine]

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  1. Very promising review, and it provides much-needed substantive verification that the LS 460 Sport lives up to its name.  Now I’m interested in testing this car, where before I was wondering if it was more cosmetic than actual.  I’d love to see an LS-F but I’m guessing that decision will wait till the next generation, and probably after the GS-F (fingers crossed!)

  2. Not a big fan of the LS460 Sport. The grille looks too fussy & the body kit looks like an aftermarket job, but the wheels are nice though.
    I’ll take my LS in 600h flavor with lots of creamy luxury & zero sportiness(pistachio)
    LOL

  3. I would like the LS-F to use a version of the Toyota Century’s V12! Japanese tuning house “Top Secret” was able to tune this engine to over 1000hp!!! A 5.0L V8 should be the next gen LS’s standard engine in order to compete with the 400hp BMW 7 series.

  4. @(Cj): I would love to see the GS-F or the LS-F with the LFA’s V10, but it’s probably a little too high-revving for a sedan. wink

  5. LEXUS BOY:I'll take my LS in 600h flavor with lots of creamy luxury & zero sportiness(pistachio)
    LOL

    You really turned a corner on that LSh front grille—or are you talking about a 2009 LSh? wink

  6. @Dan: A GS-F has to be the next F-model—though I wouldn’t mind seeing an HS-F. LOL

  7. krew:@Dan: A GS-F has to be the next F-model—though I wouldn't mind seeing an HS-F. LOL

    haha, I was just thinking about how cool a HS-F would be yesterday!

  8. krew:@(Cj): I would love to see the GS-F or the LS-F with the LFA's V10, but it's probably a little too high-revving for a sedan. wink

    Yeah, but a sedan with the LFA engine would be amazing. It could be a GS-F, but I don’t know if they’d be able to get the price of the engine down enough for that. It would be interesting for the LS, though. IMO a GS-F needs about 500hp, so a V10 or a big V8 would be perfect. An LS-F could either share an engine with the GS-F (ala Mercedes AMG 63) or go the whole nine yards with a V12 and 600hp. Imagine that! So here is my dream lineup:

    IS 200hp/300hp $30-40K
    IS-F 400hp $60K
    HS 200hp $35K
    ES 270hp $35K
    ESh 330hp $45K
    GS 300hp/400hp $45-55K
    GSh 400hp $60K
    GS-F 500hp $80K
    LS 400hp $70K
    LSh 500hp $100K
    LS-F 600hp $200K
    LFA 550hp $375K

    cool

  9. @(Cj): Ah! I forgot the SC haha! If Lexus continues the SC it should be repositioned to fight the Mercedes SL550 instead of the CLK (since the new IS takes care of that market. So they should pretty much get rid of the back seat, lighten the weight a little, and cram a powerful V8 into it.
    SC 400hp $70K
    SC-F 500hp $100K

    Other additions to the lineup should be Coupe versions of the IS and GS (since those are the brands two sportiest cars), maybe a 4 door Coupe version of the LS (ala Mercedes CLS), a wagon version of the ES (to compete with the CTS and E class wagons), and AWD options to the ES and HS. For the LUV’s the RX is fine, GX is ok, and the LX is ok too. They just need a new CUV to slot between the RX and GX. If Lexus decides to go sporty with the new CUV (something like the BMW X5) then maybe there will be an “F” version LOL.

  10. @(Cj):
    Maybe be a dedicated F CUV to go alongside the LFA that steals the spotlight from the Infiniti FX50 and particularly the X6 M and Cayenne Turbo S? LOL

  11. I wanted to read more detail about the suspension and how it affects day to day driving.  Is it significantly more jarring or does it still soak up the bumps pretty well?

  12. @LexusLuver: I would like to know as well—I haven’t read anything more about the LS Sport, but I’ll be sure to post about it if I do.

  13. @(Cj): I like your lineup, but I can’t imagine the LS-F ringing in at $200,000.

    You also forgot the LF-Ch, or CT, which I’m picturing at about the same price as the HS. The GS has a tough battle ahead against the E-Class & 5-series (though the new 5-series will likely make that fight a little easier. wink ), so it needs to be a homerun. I think it’s possible, even just by building on what’s already there with the 3GS.

    SC HAS to compete with the SL—and just think how easy that car will be to sell after the introduction of the LFA. Take the LFA design and soften it up a bit, strip out a significant amount of carbon fiber, slap a V8 in there and blam! The new SC (which I’m hearing will debut in 2011 after a year’s hiatus.)

  14. krew:
    SC HAS to compete with the SL—and just think how easy that car will be to sell after the introduction of the LFA. Take the LFA design and soften it up a bit, strip out a significant amount of carbon fiber, slap a V8 in there and blam! The new SC (which I'm hearing will debut in 2011 after a year's hiatus.)

    That is absolutely tantalizing and I hope they do just that!!

  15. krew:@(Cj): I like your lineup, but I can't imagine the LS-F ringing in at $200,000.

    You also forgot the LF-Ch, or CT, which I'm picturing at about the same price as the HS. The GS has a tough battle ahead against the E-Class & 5-series (though the new 5-series will likely make that fight a little easier. wink ), so it needs to be a homerun. I think it's possible, even just by building on what's already there with the 3GS.

    SC HAS to compete with the SL—and just think how easy that car will be to sell after the introduction of the LFA. Take the LFA design and soften it up a bit, strip out a significant amount of carbon fiber, slap a V8 in there and blam! The new SC (which I'm hearing will debut in 2011 after a year's hiatus.)

    Haha you’re right that a $200K (USD btw, I just noticed you’re from the Canada LOL) LS would be a bit of a stretch, but with the LFA out who knows what’s possible wink.

    Yeah, I forgot about the CT/LF-Ch. Lexus’s lineup is expanding and growing faster than ever! I guess a CT would probably start at $30K or something, and with optional engines (and hopefully optional AWD) go into the low $40s. To be honest I still don’t “get” the HS’s position in the lineup. A hybrid lux car makes sense, but the HS is the same price as the ES. Does this mean that the next generation ES is moving upmarket since it looks like the HS is taking it’s place in the $35K price segment? I remember about a year ago there were rumors that Lexus was going to take the ES out of the lineup so that they can move the brand upmarket, but maybe their just going to move the ES to the $40s price segment? I don’t know but it’s interesting to think about.

    Oh and yes I agree the next generation GS has to be a homerun. It shouldn’t be too hard though. All they need to do is rework the interior to make more headroom and legroom in the back seat. Add more wood and leather, make the drive slightly sportier, put the current LS’s engine into the V8 GS (or maybe a detuned IS-F engine LOL), and get another 10-20hp from the V6. The current design of the GS is really really good (I own one raspberry) so it just needs to be updated slightly and not radically.

    OMG I’m with you 100% on the next SC. I’m imagining it as an LFA people can actually afford LOL

  16. My impression is that the HS is defined differently enough (looks, powertrain, etc.) that it is possible to sell it at a similar price point as the ES.  The ES should not move up further in price as that is GS territory. If an ES hybrid comes out that may impinge on HS sales though, but a future HS could benefit from its hybrid-only design to become a Prius-like mpg chart-topper.

  17. Dan:My impression is that the HS is defined differently enough (looks, powertrain, etc.) that it is possible to sell it at a similar price point as the ES.  The ES should not move up further in price as that is GS territory. If an ES hybrid comes out that may impinge on HS sales though, but a future HS could benefit from its hybrid-only design to become a Prius-like mpg chart-topper.

    Hmmm, I think that it’s too many sub-$35K sedans for a luxury car company, and it’s too much overlap. If the ES moved up to a base price of $40K (which is the price most of them at dealers lots are at anyway) then having 3 entry level sedans would make a little more sense. Then it would be a more logical progression up the price scale: IS at $30K, HS at $35K, ES at $40K, GS at $45K etc etc etc.

    If an ES hybrid does come I think it would be more high-end like the RX hybrid (V6 hybrid versus the HS’s I4). It would probably be in the mid $40s, and be a logical step up for HS buyers that want more power and luxury.

  18. @(Cj): @(Cj): Yes that would allow more differentiation at the entry level.  One area that also must be considered though is the ES cannibalizing GS sales—for those in the midsize class, who just want a comfortable luxury sedan, the ES is a better deal than the GS (that is if they don’t care about FWD vs. RWD). The GS has been sandwiched between the ES and LS.

  19. (Cj):OMG I'm with you 100% on the next SC. I'm imagining it as an LFA people can actually afford LOL

    For at least two years, I was convinced the LFA was going to be the next SC—I was (pleasantly) shocked that it became a bonafide supercar on its own.

  20. Dan:@(Cj): @(Cj): Yes that would allow more differentiation at the entry level.  One area that also must be considered though is the ES cannibalizing GS sales—for those in the midsize class, who just want a comfortable luxury sedan, the ES is a better deal than the GS (that is if they don't care about FWD vs. RWD). The GS has been sandwiched between the ES and LS.

    Yeah that currently is a huge problem, and I think that’s what really keeps GS sales low compared to E class and 5 series. A lot of people buy the ES over the GS because their about the same size and the ES is $10,000 cheaper. Raising the price of the ES would likely eliminate this problem, because then the ES wouldn’t really be as much of a bargain against the GS. I think more people would legitimately by the GS over ES at that point.

    And just think at how much more competitive Lexus would be. Right now they’re attacking one market (entry level sedans) with 3 sedans, but if the ES were to move up to $40K, then they would instead be attacking the entry market with 2 sedans and the midlevel market with 2 sedans. I think that would be more efficient.

    Only thing that would be a problem is that the ES is Lexus’s top selling sedan (for obvious reasons), so moving the price that drastically could have repercussions (see Acura TL), but in the long run it would go a long way into solidifying Lexus’s image. But I could be wrong and I doubt they would mess with a formula thats working for them smile

  21. @(Cj): I don’t think you can raise the price of the ES on its own—instead I can see the ES switching to hybrid-only and raising its due to technology, and then cancelling the ES 350. This creates the buffer necessary between the HS & ES, and also closes the gap between the ES & GS. But I’m with you, I don’t see them messing with a winning formula.

  22. krew:@(Cj): I don't think you can raise the price of the ES on its own—instead I can see the ES switching to hybrid-only and raising its due to technology, and then cancelling the ES 350. This creates the buffer necessary between the HS & ES, and also closes the gap between the ES & GS. But I'm with you, I don't see them messing with a winning formula.

    Yeah, that wouldn’t be a bad idea either. I was thinking more or less that the ES move up to Cadillac CTS level. A CTS with 270hp and luxury package cost $40K USD so if Lexus added more standard equipment and technology and luxury to the ES, they could move the price up and just advertise all the new standard features. The pricy CTS sells pretty well here in the US too. Adding a high end AWD ES450h would just be gravy on top smile. But the idea of an all hybrid ES is a very nice idea too. I hope Lexus is listening! LOL

  23. The M5 has a high rev V10 so why not the LS? Actually a detuned variant of the LFA V10 should be put in the ISF and GS and the LS sport has the Current ISF V8. Now we have a Party!

  24. @krew: (Sorry for the late response, my e-mail was backed up!) Was talking about the 2010 LSh as it still represents the pinnacle of Lexus refinement, smoothness & luxury. I was getting used to the flat grille, but since then I discovered (at lexus.com) that Lexus changed the Parchment interior color in the LSh to beige seats with a black dash, steering & door panels. This was previously a shade of brown which continues as such only in the 2010 LS460. I was SHOCKED ! This was my favourite Lexus interior color (it’s the only color I consider purchasing) & its been available on every LS since 1989. I absolutely adore the Beige/Brown/Reddish wood interior color used by Lexus & to make it worse the Alabaster interior now comes only with matte finish wood (from the 460 Sport) which is also something that I would never consider buying as it looks too fake. Lexus should let customers select an interior color with the wood of our choice like Merc & BMW allows, at least then I could mix Alabaster with Medium Brown walnut. As it now stands no more LS600hL for me crying ... It’ll have to be an LS460L then.